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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I really think a better way to have a reasonable conversation is for Obama liberals (which doesn't include all Democrats) to admit that they are Socialists and that they actually support higher taxes due to some moral leaning that they have as opposed to just sheer need and the we can try and work to a middle. If you admit that people who make a lot of money need to share much of their earnings with everyone else then the conversation switches to defining the roles. Then we can ask ourselves do we want a country less like the America of now and more like Europe? Until they plainly state their true motives and then show your work we'll never have consensus. Socialists please stand up. [/quote]

If corporations would distribute their money more fairly to their workers, this would not be needed.  If it were easy to move between jobs (without loosing your health benefits, without disrupting your family, without losing a huge hunk of money when you sell you house), this would not be needed.  In the real world, taxes are needed to make sure we have parks, schools, roads, a defense, and things that benefit everyone.  With most people making so little money, there is no way for the middle class and poor to pay for these things.  If we want a decent society, yes, there have to be taxes, and the rich have to pay their fair share of those taxes.  (and yes, I'm a socialist... what is wrong with that?  Are you confusing socialist with communist?  Or yourself with an anarchist?  because confusing a socialist with a communist is equivalent to confusing a libertarian with an anarchist...)[/quote]

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