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I always chuckle when people tell me it's better for the environment when they essentially waste energy 24/7. Lobbies are on with lights 24/7. Elevators for a 5 floor condo building. Etc.

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I chuckle when NIMBYs think that the energy for elevators is a big deal. One of the advantages of biking is you get to understand the topography of the region better. Folks commuting even to the inner suburbs are going far more than 5 flights - and they are doing so in their heavy, inefficient SUVs, not an electric elevator with counterweights.

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You realize some of those homeowners can easily ride a bike, metro in, and just as energy efficient, right? No one needs a giant SUV if you own a home...[/quote]

To get morre people near metro we need density in places close to metro (IOW 5 story or bigger condos)  To get more people riding bikes we need more people closer in  (because most people won't bike commute more than 6 or 7 miles on a regular basis) Etc.    Fact is places that are low density, all detached SFHs, are usually high auto use areas, and even if they are not, they do not have enough density to support frequent transit.  Density and alternative transportation go together, and sprawl goes with auto commutes.  [/quote]

The majority of the population doesn't want to live in a shoe box in a giant condo tower.[/quote]

Especially in cities where alternatives are readily available and affordable.  In NYC people have no choice, don't compare, if you want to raise your family in an apartment in supremely dense area without a car, and have lots of other families around doing the same, then move to NYC. [/quote]

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