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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]In the eyes of god, a Christian is always better.[/quote]

Your proof?  How about a bad Christian vs a good Jew? Does your god still pick the bad Christian?[/quote]

Yes Christians are all saved. We are all imperfect. We have all sinned (yes even the good ones). [/quote]

Christianity has rules, tenets, traditions, beliefs, etc. Christians don’t chose those, God does. Christians choose to believe in them. The Christian God knows there are no “good” Christians.

Romans 3:10-12 English Standard Version (ESV)

10 as it is written:

“None is righteous, no, not one;
11     no one understands;
    no one seeks for God.
12 All have turned aside; together they have become worthless;
    no one does good,
    not even one.”

Christians are imperfect and sinful and the only difference is we know that and seek God. We rely on Him and not ourselves, and also know God hates sin.

If we love God, we will try hard- and fail, unfortunately, to not sin.

There are a lot of Christians who are false and bad. That sucks and also God knows they are false. He isn’t fooled.[/quote]

And if at the end of their lives they repent, then they go to heaven just as if they'd been good all their lives.

But any atheists, who have not done any of those false and  bad things, will go to hell, because they didn't believe in God.  It will be a surprise to them, because they thought they'd just die and their lives would be over like all other animals.  But no, they will wake up in Christian hell, for an eternity of suffering, all because they failed to believe in the Christian god.

Some people say, why take the chance?  Even if you find it hard to believe, you might as well act as if you believe, just in case, to avoid such a horrible fate. But some people figure that if god is all-knowing, certainly he will know that they are faking belief and send them to hell anyway.  God doesn't want phonies in Heaven.
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[b]I think claiming all atheists don’t do false and bad things is where you show your naivety.[/b] Nobody can claim all people of any religion are good or bad, not all people of any country or race or whatever are good or bad.

There are bad and evil atheists, just as there and bad and evil Christians.

Dimitrios Pagourtzis, Santa Fe, Texas shooter who killed at least 10 people at a public school, described himself as an atheist on his Facebook page (May 2018)[5]
Gabriel Ross Parker, shooter at Marshall County High School in Kentucky who murdered two people (January 2018)[6][7][8]
Devin Patrick Kelley, perpetrator of the Sutherland Springs, Texas shooting at First Baptist Church, murdered 26 people (November 2017)[9][10][11][12][13][14]
Chris Harper Mercer, Umpqua Community College gunman (October 2015)[15][16]
Craig Stephen Hicks, perpetator of the Chapel Hill Shootings (February 2015)[17]
Jared Lee Loughner, perpetrator of the Tucson Shootings (January 2011)[18]
Seung-Hui Cho, perpetrator of the Virginia Tech shootings (April 2007)[19]
Jeffrey Dahmer, serial killer and sex offender responsible for the rape, murder, and dismemberment of seventeen men and boys (1978 - 1991)[1]
James Oliver Huberty, perpetrator of the San Ysidro McDonald's massacre (July 1984)[20]
Carl Panzram (1891-1930) was an American serial killer, rapist, arsonist, robber and burglar. In his autobiography and prison confessions Panzram claimed he committed 21 murders (a majority of which were not corroborated) and over 1,000 sodomies of boys and men. He was executed for murdering a prison employee at Leavenworth Federal Penitentiary. Panzram declared "“I don't believe in man, God nor Devil. I hate the whole damned human race, including myself. I preyed upon the weak, the harmless and the unsuspecting. This lesson I was taught by others: might makes right.”[2

List of atheist shooters and serial killers
https://www.conservapedia.com/List_of_atheist_shooters_and_serial_killers

There are bad people everywhere. A label doesn’t make anyone anything.
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I'm guessing pp was looking for an opening to post this list.  Too bad pp didn't read what previous pp said, not "ALL atheists" but "ANY atheists."

I've never seen a list of Christians who committed terrible crimes, but I bet it's  a lot longer.[/quote]

I am sure it is. There are more Christians in the US than atheists. However, on this forum, many atheists portray atheists as laid back, kind, caring, and peaceful people. I am sure there are lots of atheists who are exactly like that. But not all are.

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No one ever said they were. and many atheists are laid back, kind, caring, and peaceful.  Just like many Christians and people of other religions.

Being religious (or not) is no guarantee of personality.[/quote]

Agree. There’s good and bad of all kinds. Christianity does have a defined moral code though. There’s no guarantee a Christian will walk and talk it, but it’s there.

The seven Christian virtues are from two sets of virtues. The four cardinal virtues are Prudence, Justice, Restraint (or Temperance), and Courage (or Fortitude). The cardinal virtues are so called because they are regarded as the basic virtues required for a virtuous life. The three theological virtues, are Faith, Hope, and Love (or Charity).

Prudence: also described as wisdom, the ability to judge between actions with regard to appropriate actions at a given time
Justice: also considered as fairness, the most extensive and most important virtue
Temperance: also known as restraint, the practice of self-control, abstention, and moderation tempering the appetition
Courage: also termed fortitude, forbearance, strength, endurance, and the ability to confront fear, uncertainty, and intimidation
Faith: belief in God, and in the truth of His revelation as well as obedience to Him (cf. Rom 1:5:16:26)[21][22]
Hope: expectation of and desire of receiving; refraining from despair and capability of not giving up. The belief that God will be eternally present in every human's life and never giving up on His love.
Charity: a supernatural virtue that helps us love God and our neighbors, the same way as we love ourselves.

Abortion, alcohol, divorce, sexual morality and celibacy, slavery, violence, wealth, and poverty, are all areas Christianity speaks of and applies Christian ethics to.[/quote]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_ethics[/quote]

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