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There's no such thing as a "definitive" study.  This is the social science field; they're currently in the midst of a replication crisis because a large portion of the studies they've done can't be replicated.  Do researchers study the effects of this integration on the higher performing students?  Most studies I've read don't, and from what I've seen education researchers don't really care.  The government tried something like this on a large scale (moving to opportunity) and there were no educational gains.  In fact, almost all educational interventions show no lasting gains.

Honestly, if this integration was a magic bullet then the problem would have been solved by now.  What are you going to suggest we do once this also fails?

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Please actually read the study before you dismiss it: https://tcf.org/assets/downloads/tcf-Schwartz.pdf[/quote]

The study is solid as are its conclusions. The segregationists on this board are hellbent on segregation and you can't reason with them.[/quote]

Please read the study.

If you really believe the study is solid, then let's see what the study does.

It compares students/families being randomly assigned to PUBLIC HOUSING that belongs to different school zones.
E.g. PUBLIC HOUSING A belongs to school A, HOUSING AREA B belongs to school B, etc....

The study did find some difference between student performance going to different schools (with different FARMS rate) (Figs. 6 and 7)

However, one key question is that, is the location of the housing, or the school that they attend that is driving this?

The author in the study tried to address this, however, in a strange approach. See Figs.9 and 10. Here she compares student performance for 
kids living in different NEIGHBORHOODS of different  poverty levels, and concluded that the poverty levels of neighborhoods only contribute to about
half of the difference compared to the school effects (shown in Figs. 6 and 7).

This is not the right approachWhen you look at the effect of the "NEIGHBORHOOD", you can't use categorize the neighborhood differently than how you do the schools. i.e., in Fig.6 and 7, one may be comparing 
children going to schools A+B+D vs schools C+E+F+G; but in Figs.9 and 10, one may be comparing children living in neighborhood A+B+C vs neighborhoods D+E+F+G.
Her study only tells us that the poverty level of neighborhood has less effect on student performance. It does not tell us whether these specific neighborhoods that are associated 
with less/more poverty schools have an effect.

The right approach, would be to get students living in neighborhood A, randomly assigned to schools B, C, D, etc... then we will know whether it is the "school" or the "neighborhood" that is 
affecting the performance. I think the author knows this, but she does not have the power to perform the experiment because she can't change the housing/school assignment.

Anyway, conclusions (if you believe the data from the report are solid):

Students being assigned to [b]PUBLIC HOUSINGS [/b] associated with less poverty schools can probably have an edge in their performance.

However, the report does [b]NOT[/b] tell us:
(1) Changing the school assignment of  a PUBLIC HOUSING to a less poverty school would have a positive effect.
(2) Changing the school assignment of anyone not in PUBLIC HOUSING to a less poverty school would have a positive effect.

Does that help MCPS? Apparently NO. If MCPS is to follow the report, than it should simply send more kids into those "PUBLIC HOUSINGS" that are "proven" to be good, 
instead of changing school boundaries.

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