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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote]Yes, but it's amazing that we have three public schools that cover top-notch flagship, SLAC and tech. And then a whole crop of other schools that are as good as or better than the 1 flagship in another state. I think the one challenging thing is that UVA + W&M in numbers total less than the numbers at another state flagship so it gets very competitive.[/quote]

We are lucky in VA, but I do think there are better (and still affordable) options for the kids that just miss out on UVA/W&M.    I can see why someone would want their kid with maybe a 4.1 and 1460 SAT (who might be rejected from UVA/W&M) to go to an OOS school with a national reputation over JMU or GMU.  It wouldn't necessarily have a higher cost than W&M with its $35K price tag.

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I'm the poster with the strong student who made clear she'd be very unhappy going below UVA in state.  That was exactly her thinking, and [b]fortunately we had the money to pay for her to go anywhere[/b].  We weren't willing to pay full freight for a private school (to us, that made no sense for anything lower than top 10-15), so we said we'd pay for a strong OOS flagship.  She got into a good one, paid the deposit, and would have been happy to go.  But she ended up getting into UVA off the waitlist so it all ended well.   [/quote]

Well, that's the thing, isn't it? Not everyone has the money to pay OOS, and frankly, it's often even harder to get admitted as an OOS. My kid is a very strong student, they technically have the numbers that would put them in range at UVA or WM, but that's not a guarantee with all of the other high achieving students applying. [b]I really hate the attitude that you and you your daughter are fostering that if a bright student doesn't get the golden ticket or possess $$$ they're doomed.[/b][/quote]

I'm not suggesting that you're "doomed" if you can't get into William & Mary or UVA in state and have to settle for another in state school.  There's nothing wrong with JMU, GMU, etc., it's just that the gap between UVA/W&M and the other VA schools in terms of admission is so great -- JMU truly doesn't mean "Just Missed UVA" -- that there are many, many great schools falling somewhere in between.  For example, other than Northwestern a borderline UVA admit from in state is a likely admit to every Big 10 school, most of which are great, fun, and have national reputations.  If you can afford them, why not?  They're certainly less expensive than private schools.

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[b]That is absolutely not certain. Many privates are a heckuva lot cheaper than OOS B10 schools.[/b][/quote]

After merit aid, maybe, but the best privates typically don't offer merit aid.  I'm talking about full price for a top ranked private versus full price for OOS Big Ten.  Big Ten is always cheaper.
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Ugh. I feel like you are being deliberately obtuse.

First off, getting into a top ranked private is probably as difficult to get into as getting into UVA or harder, so it's not worth including them in this example.
Second, even if we go with your assumption that the OOS Big Ten will always be cheaper than the top private... that OOS Big Ten is STILL more expensive than in state VA. 
I have found a few exceptions...
University of Missouri: if you have a certain GPA + SAT/ACT score, they will essentially make up the difference in cost for OOS student and will admit the student.
University of Alabama has similar type of offer.
Unless you are talking about the OOS options that bring the level back down to in-state cost, it is frustrating to hear you keep hammering away at OOS option, like it the obvious choice and anyone should automatically do it if they don't get into UVA.
As multiple people on this thread have explained, many solidly middle class people are not going to qualify for need-based aid, and are also not going to be able to afford OOS options.  [/quote]

Um . . . neither Missouri nor Alabama are in the Big Ten -- or as good as virtually any Big Ten school.

I also never said that OOS Big Ten cost the same as UVA in state.  I said they're more expensive than in state UVA but less expensive than private but may still be worth the extra money over the other in state VA options because the Big Ten schools are better (generally) than those options.

Not being obtuse, deliberate or otherwise.  I understand that some folks don't have the money to go OOS Big Ten and settle instead for JMU etc.  That's fine.[/quote]

DP.  You are truly missing the point if you think students "settle" for JMU, etc.  Many kids CHOOSE JMU over other, more widely recognized schools.  Why?  Because it's a great fit for them.  JMU offers something for everyone.  It's clear you can't imagine someone choosing JMU (or VT, or GMU, etc.) over your "Big Ten" wish list, but that's just ridiculous.  My kids wouldn't want anything to do with a Big Ten school.  Your first choice (or rather, your CHILD's first choice - hopefully) isn't at all what my kids' would be.  Some people go for the right fit, period.[/quote]

only 29 percent of applicants who were accepted to JMU enrolled.  71 percent went elsewhere.  not a first choice for many.[/quote]

Source for that?  And you do realize that almost every school can be considered a safety school or backup, right?  UVA is most definitely a safety school for those who wind up going to the Ivies or well-regarded SLACs.  Not to mention, many kids choose their safety school because it's where they feel most at home.  And finally, JMU is indeed the first choice for many students.[/quote]

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