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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=jsteele][quote=Anonymous]Agree. I'm the PP who listed 10 ways above to make college affordable.

Countries that offer free college limit who goes, and understandably so. It simply cannot be a free-for-all. When government (taxpayers) are funding free college, they naturally want to limit it to those who are likely to succeed.

And to the moderator: why would you say I might as well not list federal and state grants? I know some vey poor people who got through (modestly priced) state college with grants, and fully, when combined with a part-time job during the school year and full-time each summer.

My personal belief as to how to solve the problem is to go the co-op model. Students alternate between "work semesters" (which are related to the student's major and provide valuable contacts in addition to decent earnings) and "class semesters" (which are the traditional academic semesters). It can take five or even six years to complete (bear in mind that only about 60% of students graduate within six years from "regular" schools), but they graduate with minimal debt, if any, and valuable work experience in their field. 
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You know very poor people who got by on grants. What percentage of college students are "very poor people"? If you are not a very poor person, you don't get a grant. Instead you get a loan.

The proposals for free college tuition that I've seen only apply to state institutions. Private universities will still be around just as we have private schools despite having free public schools. It's an open question as to how restrictive the free schools would have to be.

Your co-opt idea sounds good except that many students have no idea what they want to study when first entering college. I certainly didn't. I would have had no idea what work experience fit my major because I didn't have a major until I was a junior.
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I’ve put two kids through college, next year a third. We are not poor. So we saved and invested money. The old fashioned way. Why don’t you do the same?  You chose to do this site. If it doesn’t pay enough for your kids’ college, the taxpayer should not be expected to pick up that burden.

Your last statement regarding co-op is definitely a first world problem.  Life is not always about what makes us happy. It’s about survival. You pick something that pays, learn that skill, and later on you have the luxury of change[/quote]

This is beyond the pale hypocrisy.  You have no problem using this site, the fruit of Jeff's labor, as a platform to trumpet your privileged viewpoint, and at the same time excoriate Jeff for operating it as his occupation.

Let them eat cake![/quote]

The idea that a coop would not work due to the luxury of indecision is the very definition of privilege. Loans are not a bad thing either. [/quote]
Agree. I'm the PP from last night with the list of 10 ways to make college affordable.

SOME burden, or compromise, must be made by the students. It doesn't have to be a solution where the only answer is: government pays for 100% of the college education. If that means starting at community college, or taking a half-load while working 25 hours a week, or enrolling in a co-op program where you must declare a major by sophomore year, or any of the other cost-saving measures listed above, that's fine.

The other thing is that there is a desire on the part of democratic socialists like Cortez, and it sounds as if the moderator agrees, to eliminate all college debt - that a 22-year-old should enter the workforce with a degree paid for by someone else, completely debt-free.

This is neither realistic nor necessary. The key is to keep the debt load to a manageable level. Incorporating some of the cost-saving ideas above, and enrolling in a state college (many are very strong) will leave a young adult with minimal debt.

The goal should not be free college. It should be graduation with minimal debt. But the worst situation, experienced by a large percentage of all those starting college, is to discover one is not cut out for college (for whatever reason), and drop out after a year or two. At that point, the student has incurred a lager amount of debt and has no degree or strong marketable skill.[/quote]

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