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I think the [b]traditional agreement is that children are named after the husband/father in "exchange" for his support raising the children and supporting the wife/family.[/b] One certain way to have no debate about children's names is to have them outside of wedlock.

The same thing could be said about a wife taking the husband's name. There is always the option to not get married and just be boyfriend/girlfriend or whatever else.[/quote]

...and because the wife became his property upon marrying and no longer had her own property rights, right to enter into legal contracts, her own money.  The list goes on.

As of 2016, about 70% of mothers work outside the home.  So the "I'll support you in exchange for you becoming my chattel" no longer applies.

There is always the option to get married and retain the names that each party has had since birth, and to be equal contributors to the family in all respects.  It is not rocket science.[/quote]

Yes, lots of mothers work outside the home but in other ways things are pretty traditional, like how men tend to get pretty unfavorable outcomes from divorce court decisions for child support, alimony, custody etc.

Considering that most divorves are female initiated and no cause is required, signing up to get married as a man isn't really a great deal unless there are some other perks to sweeten the deal. :)[/quote]

Joint custody is standard in 2018, and alimony is rare.

Women’s standard of living goes down after divorce, and men’s go up.

These are facts.[/quote]

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