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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Donna B. is an opportunist. She is now hitching her wagon on Bernie because this revelation almost certainly ensures Bernie's nomination in the next election. Bernie is the future of the Democratic party at this point in time and Donna sees that clearly. [/quote] Bernie is only a Democrat when it suits him, what do they call that...an opportunist.[/quote] Yep. Hillary Clinton has been a Democrat since 1968, Elizabeth Warren became a Democrat in 1996, Bernie Sanders became a Democrat in 2015.[/quote] The fact that Bernie isn’t a real Dem only adds to his appeal. The Dem party is a lying, cheating, losing machine. [/quote] Yet he had no problem running as a Dem, taking their money, etc. Seems kind of hypocritical to me.[/quote] You are alluding Sanders did something wrong? Seriously? He has been so gracious in the face of this indignant treatment of his followers. His followers would have taken scalps on Twitter and there is no one worthy of their loyalty to lead them as far as I can tell. Progressives blew it. Dems are calling themselves “Progressives” yet are sticking “to the old ways” that worked in 2008. Clintonistas their loss on the winners “collusion” with a geopolitical foe after Democrats won the 2012 election partially on the lack of foresight dealing with the very real threat of that very same geopolitical foe. GMAFB.[/quote] I am a Dem (though not a "Clintonista" whatever that is) and I blame our loss, ultimately, on one thing and one thing alone. Too many apathetic Democrats didn't show up to vote that day. We had the numbers - we still do - but too many people stayed home that day and THAT is why we lost. Is it because Hillary was a lackluster nominee? Probably, but at end the end of the day she WAS the nominee and the fact that Dems stayed home rather than vote handed the oval office to Trump. He didn't win, we gave it away. [/quote] Blaming the voters who have suffered due to turpitude of elite Dems with massive financial backing and a shameless willingness to value those backers over voters? Wow, do you want to lose? The Democrats need to offer better, this stuff about voter turnout is simply 'blaming the victim'.[/quote] "Better"? Like Trump? If you think that is better, then I guess these "victims" who couldn't bother to vote got "better."[/quote] NP. What you're not getting is that it was the Hilary machine that caused the election of someone as unqualified and crazy as Trump. The options were bad and bad. Blaming people for not voting for one bad over the other bad is exactly the tactic that HRC uses. Either way, we as a nation were going down. The Trump presidency absolutely sucks, but a HRC presidency would have been just as bad or even worse from a longview standpoint. It would have continued to bolster the corruption within the Democratic party laying the stones for a future continued demise. At this point, as we suffer through these 4 years, the Democratic party has the option of reflection, reorganization and doing right by its people or take the road that you and HRC take in the blame game. [/quote] Well said. What’s terribly unfortunate is that the DNC and the Dem establishment are determined not to change. (For example, Perez recently kicked Bernie supporters out of the DNC.) No matter how much they lose, they will continue to offer us more of the same. [/quote]
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