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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I am an immigrant and I remember being shocked at what kind of people in the waiting room at the uS embassy were getttong green cards. Like the most backward looking. Meanwhile i was rejected for a tourist visa though I had no intention whatsoever of staying.

I happened to win a green card lottery so eventually I came in. But I never would have otherwise. [/quote]

As a liberal, when you bring this up - the Latino groups hammer you.

They are fully against Australian/Canadian type systems.

We should be bringing in more Japanese, Koreans, Jews, high IQ northwest Europeans.

Not the dregs [/quote]

You realize that there is far more variation in iQ within races than between them.

Wait of course you don't, which proves the point. [/quote]

I am the immigrant above and this all happened within the same race. Basically poor probably illiterate villagers were getting green cards while educated people knew they had no chance. I was only looking for a tourist visa and still didn't get it. American embassies are so arrogant and stupid. [/quote]

If you were intelligent, you would understand why we should not choose people based on countries you think are high iQ.[/quote]

i am profoundly gifted thx. i didn't say the people should be chosen based on country of origin. and that's not in the bill either, as i understand it.

i am merely providing my perspective from the other side. every smart, educated person who wanted to immigrate (which i didn't) went to canada embassy. those who were rejected there went to australia and NZ. nobody even tried to get a green card for the US because that was impossible [b]if you had no family connections (no matter how remote)[/b] in the US. some smart people still managed to stay in the US mostly by going to phd programs and then getting jobs/getting employer sponsorship. but basically there was no route to legally immigrate.[/quote]

I think this brings up a really good point: why are we allowing immigration via family connections? It's pretty absurd to let a person and his entire family immigrate simply because they already have one sibling in the United States who sponsors them. It's a completely illogical way of running an immigration system.

I'm on board with moving to a point system for individuals with good educations, technical skills, or badly needed language abilities. I'm also totally open to allowing more refugees or those facing persecution (religious, gender, LBGT, etc).

But the family-based system is nuts. No way in hell is one brother already in the US able to support all his siblings, their kids, and parents.[/quote]

Immigration is out of control.  It is way out of whack from modern historical levels.  We have long past the early 1900's with unlimited resources.   Immigrants take jobs from existing US citizens.  Immigration growth directly correlates with the drop in wages in real terms over the last 20 years.

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