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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]People who are talking about all the things that race is an indicator of (e.g. lower SES level, lack of role models with higher education, etc) are missing the point. Colleges already ask for this information and they [b]do[/b] giver admissions preference based on it.[b] A white, rural, first-in-family college applicant will absolutely get admissions preference over a white, suburban, child of parents with advanced degrees. And this is as it should be, IMHO.[/b]

Race-based preference is given, because racism still exists whether you choose to believe that or not. It's not about all the other factors that are correlated with race, it's about race. Rich black kids still face discrimination and obstacles based merely on the color of their skin, which is one justification for giving them preference.

On the flip side, even if you don't believe they face unique race-based obstacles, schools can affirmatively choose to prioritize creating a racially diverse student body if they want to do so...just like they prioritize creating a student body in all kinds of other ways. Schools can choose to give an edge to a student who plays the tuba, or fences, or volunteers at the local kayaking club. And for those saying that they can't because race is a protected class while flute-players are not, I'm sorry but SCOTUS disagrees with you. Sounds like Trump wants to challenge that decision, and it's really too bad that this non-issue is so important to him. But there you go. If your foreign policy is falling apart and your domestic agenda is in shambles, you might as well go back to stoking the nationalistic fire that got you elected, I guess.

Like reproductive rights, I don't expect an online forum discussion to change anyone's minds on the subject...but I do think it's important to be accurate about what's being discussed. And what's being discussed is not race as a proxy for other disadvantages but race itself being a disadvantage. It is.

-- Indian-American with multiple degrees from multiple HYPS schools who accepts that my kids might have a harder time getting admission to the same schools[/quote]
So you're saying that a poor white will be given an advantage over a middle class white? Why is it contained within the same race? Why isn't a poor white given an advantage over a middle class black? [/quote]
They probably are. Most admissions systems are based on points. So poor white might get a point for being poor. Middle class black might get a point for being black. Poor black might get two points, one for being black and another for being poor. All else being equal, poor black would get in. Middle class black and poor white would be considered as equal-caliber admits, and which one gets in is based on what the rest of the class of admits look like (if there is a lot of racial diversity in rest of class poor white gets in, if there is a lot of SES diversity in rest of class then MC black gets in).

I'm way over-simplifying, but that's generally how it works. People like to focus on the race piece, because that's how American politics are framed.[/quote]

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