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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]7:49 sure does have a long list of conditions under which charter schools MIGHT work.  If the public schools support them.  If the founders are perfect.  If the board is perfect.  If the kids aren't too poor.  If the teachers are fantastic.  If they can discriminate against kids with special needs.

Well, yeah.  But none of that is realistic and a move toward charters is just going to damage the prospects of those kids who end up in schools where none of those things are true. [/quote]

What about the kids who are in public schools where those things aren't true? We just ignore them, and[b] say we can't offer them any options because it would destroy public education[/b]. Their public education is already being destroyed.

If their public education is great, then how about all the people who are against vouchers trade places. Your kids can go to the public schools that these kids are trying to get out of, and those kids can go to your kids public schools.[/quote]

Who says that? This might be true if (a) the only possibility for improving education for these kids were school vouchers and (b) the school voucher program actually improved education for these kids. But in reality, neither is true. [/quote]

+1  No one is saying to turn their backs on kids in failing schools.  In fact, you would find that those of us who oppose vouchers (because they don't work) are the very same ones advocating for community schools and wrap-around services for low-income kids.  The truth is that schools are failing these kids because SOCIETY is failing these kids.  They don't need crappy for-profit private schools.  They need a dedicated psychologist, multiple social workers, and highly trained teachers in every school.  That's where you start seeing results.  Not shoving them into some no-excuses for profit test factory that will continue to ignore the core issues.  [/quote]

All the things you mention: a dedicated paychologist, multiple social workes, and highly trained teachers in every school are great things that I agree vulnerable kids probably do need.  I think everybody would agree that they're beneficial.  However, I don't think they're core issues.  I think the core issue of school is whether it provides its students with an education.  Hypothetically, if a school could give each student their own psychologist, social worker, and highly trained teacher, but still didn't teach him how to read or do basic math I would say it was a "crappy school".

I agree they don't need "crappy for-profit private schools".  I also don't think they they need crappy public schools.  What they need are schools that produce students who are prepared for the future.[/quote]

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