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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I’m amazed at the number of people who think health insurance is the main problem, as if the hospitals just honest businessmen submitting bills for their services and the docs as well. The whole system is a sh&t show. Cardiologist in the US make like a half a million, in the Uk it’s like £150K.

People should be mad at their legislators for allowing it to get this way. This is not to say that insurers don’t have their problems but they are but one cog in the wheel of grift and dysfunction. [/quote]

Cardiologists actually provide an extremely valuable service.  Insurance companies suck money out of the system.  Do you really not see the difference?[/quote]

In many cases they keep the system from ripping people off and in many cases make sure that people don’t get the wrong med or unnecessary procedures. I know you think your doctor is the bees knees and would never do anything unethical or wrong but you would be wrong. Consider the fact that so many physician groups have sold out to PE who are managing care by the way in which they manage the practice. The docs didn’t sell because they are concerned about the good of the patients - they wanted a paycheck. There are no innocents in this game. [/quote]

Yep. Private equity is all over specialized surgical and medical groups …. these doctors are money machines. Cha Ching! $$ Smart doctors know how to game the system. Spend 15 minutes with a patient, quick exam, order scans. Done. Next!

Even large hospital groups order needless scans, ultrasounds, blood work, procedures, unnecessary surgeries…it’s insane.

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Yes—I’m generally pro doctor but anyone who thinks that doctors don’t need checks on spending is naive.  The nursing homes are notorious for ordering useless tests and therapies to pad their profits.  And lots of doctors will just write whatever test or script their patient wants because it’s easier than arguing or because they are making a profit (remember the opioid epidemic?).  Everyone would like to have great doctors who only prescribe medically necessary stuff and only do so in their best interest, and have affordable health care that covers all medically necessary treatments, even if those treatments cost millions of dollars a year for a single condition.  But it’s not reality.  Yes, let’s crack down on the bad actors, but this generalized hate for health insurance providers is just so naive and dangerous. Does anyone remember the world before health insurance?  Working class people just died if they got anything that needed more than a doctors visit.  Pooling of risk is a good thing—that’s what insurance is. But insurance companies have to follow their written policies.[/quote]

There are monsters at every level of the system. This hospital allowed this doctor to misdiagnose and kill patients because he made money for them.

The opioid epidemic is due in part to physicians being courted by pharma sales people and the fact that no one was watching what was going on so the pill mills were allowed to dispense like crazy and Medicaid just paid. I’m not saying health insurance companies are angels by any means but there are plenty of bad actors out there.

https://www.propublica.org/article/thomas-weiner-montana-st-peters-hospital-oncology[/quote]

Also look at the stories about patients being kept in psych wards so that the monstrous doctors could keep billing insurance. It's sickening. The whole system from insurance to hospital to medical staff, is corrupt.

And Americans need to stop thinking this country has the most envied medical system in the world, because anyone who has actually traveled and needed medical care in other countries, knows it's BS. I have friends currently traveling to a couple of other countries for advanced medical treatments that the US doesn't offer.[/quote]

Would you mind sharing what these advanced medical treatments are? [/quote]
Hair transplants in Turkey. [/quote]

I have a relative that travelled to Europe for an advanced medical heart procedure that was not yet approved in America because American regulatory authorities are more cautious than Europeans.  His health was bad so no one would take him in one of the American clinical trials but the European hospital happily took his money for this pointless medical procedure.  In general. European medicine is better at the bottom and (getting treated for a UTI is much cheaper and easier) and sometimes the experimental end (because less restrictions, doctors aren’t worried about being sued).  But lots more people come to America for treatment than the reverse.[/quote]

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