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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I love how we’ve reached the point where Venezuela and Iran are the attractive options to alleviate the oil problem.  If only we had massive quantities of accesible oil in the USA and Canada.  I guess we’d rather help Iran and VZ than help the MAGAs.  [/quote]

Neither of them are any worse than the Saudis, which is the source that was keeping oil prices low for the last several years.  There is no substantial low cost oil in the US or Canada.  Those are high cost options that can only be profitable at consistently high oil prices.[/quote]

Really?

This is happening because we are making a huge issue out of Khashoggi.  I'm not justifying his murder, but Iran is murdering dozens of protesters a day right now, and is actively trying to assassinate US citizens including former govt officials. And how are we responding to that? By trying to broker a new JCPOA with Iran, with Russia as the mediator. Naturally, this makes the Saudis and all our other long term allies think we are fickle, unreliable, and currently hostile.

I dont have any gas powered cars. This doesnt affect me. I still think you're all throwing away economic stability and our security because you cant properly contextualize news stories and got carried away with outrahe porn.  [/quote]

Really.  Khashoggi is not even a blip on saudis bad behavior.  You should read up on their Yemen war, their treatment of dissidents (yes, they execute them just like Iran), their treatment of religious minorities, and their support for terror.[/quote]

Oh right, because it will look totally different from Iran's history.

Saudi Arabia's military is essentially a wholly owned subsidiary of the US govt. Nothing they've done in the war with Yemen wasnt done without US military equipment.

By these standards (cant have wars, cant mistreat minorities, cant execute criminals) we cant even do business with ourselves. [/quote]

Thanks for agreeing with me?  No, it's not much different from Iran.  That's my point.  Both countries are bad actors.  We've made our Iran policy into this weird morality play where we oppose them because of the country is run by oppressive religious extremists who disregard human rights, fund terror, and destabilize neighboring countries.  At the same time, we are close allies with Saudi Arabia, which also fits that same description.

This worked out for 40 years because, in return for the US making their arch rival into a weakened pariah state, Saudi reliability pumped oil at low prices, particularly when there were geopolitical problems.  They've decided they no longer want to do that, so there is no reason for us to continue isolating Iran for them.  [/quote]

Alternatively, we could stop being a bull in a China shop and repair our relationships.  [/quote]

Biden already tried that.  He went over there in a big trip, remember?  And bin Salman decided to snub him.

In the long run, it is much better for US interests to have two huge oil producers who are in competition with each other.  The Saudi strategy paid off for a while, but we now see the limits of relying on one country.[/quote]

Yeah, Biden went ONE time after years of snubbing MBS. It's entitled to think that will fix it.

And, we dont rely on one country. We rely on many countries and KSA isnt even in the top 3.

This relationship is way more than oil. KSA allowed us to launch a war from their country. It has been an extremely intimate relationship, all thrown away due to our hypocritical moralizing.  [/quote]

Allowed us to launch a war from their country to protect them from being invaded.  What a bunch of nice guys!

There's no reason to keep kissing up to them while sanctioning their enemy into oblivion.  We have no strategic reason to be enemies with Iran.  We can have normal trading relations with both countries, just like we do with many other bad regimes.  [/quote]

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