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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]There is no question in my mind that BAT committed a crime here. Not debatable. My question is: what mother drives her daughters (who have been doing shots of whiskey) to a frat party?!!![/quote] I know. That got me too. [/quote] Out of curiosity, are you more interested in that or what kind of mother raises a serial groper/liar/creeper/sex-offender/felon? [/quote] Did Brock's mother help him assault Emily? No. So you are out of line. Sometimes kids with good and decent parents do things that good parents would never condone. This has been an absolute nightmare for Brock's family. But I do wonder about a mother who would drop her daughter off drunk at a college campus. That is just really odd. [/quote] I am asking the question because pp was so curious about Emily's mother dropping her off at a frat party. I agree Brocks mom isn't responsible for his crime (though she is for her cringe-worthy letter to the judge) however the idea that somehow the victim's mom is fair game for criticism but the person responsible for sending this sex offender out into the world isn't is insane. [/quote] By all indications, Brock's parents have done an admirable job of raising 3 young adults. They've put in the time/effort/love, they know their kids and they stand behind their kids. Brock's mom has doubts that her son did this. She is reeling. This has been devastating. She is not about to lay her baby on the tracks and just watch the train run over him. She is fighting for him. And she will be behind him every step. You don't raise a kid through cub scouts and popcorn sales, early AM swimming practices, evening and weekend meets, first dates and prom and then just give up on his life. Dropping your drunk daughter off on college campus is weird though. I hope that is not a new trend....[/quote] Well, duh, most parents will defend their children and say there is no way they can act in that manner. But I didn't know you are so acquainted with Brock's family to know they have done an admirable job raising their kids. Because what we see and hear in public is always a perfect indicator of the types of people we are, right? It's nice how you can make judgments about Emily's mom by her one action. [/quote] Brock's parents did everything right with their kids. I've read their story and I understand their anguish. I don't know anything about Emily's mom other than this business of dropping her drunk daughter off but, as a parent, I relate more to the type of parenting that Brock's parents were doing. I don't see any fault there and I think it's really low of people to accuse them of condoning rape. They don't condone anything of the kind. They do, however, believe in their son.[/quote] This is so very odd. A Brock groupie. Maybe you can contact him once he is released from jail and help him get a job, etc. You would at least be taking positive action, rather than trying to tear down the person he violated. [/quote] Anyone who says that Emily's drinking was not completely out of control and extremely dangerous that night is an enabler who is doing her a disservice by minimizing how harmful her drinking was that night. She needs to wise up and reign that in or she will be dead by the time she's 30. No joke. I am not a "Brock groupie". But I also do not choose to demonize and blame this guy for everything under the sun that went wrong that night. He was wrong and he is paying a high price for what he did. That does not mean that Emily did not hurt herself. Calling her a light drinker or minimizing the horrific consequences of passing out the way that she did is not doing that girl any favors. But if you think that a parent dropping their drunk daughter off on a college campus is fine, then maybe you just plain aren't going to ever get it. If you give a sh*t about THAT girl you would not try to give her a pass on that drinking. [/quote] Is it you that keeps talking about the victim's drinking over and over and over and calling her a heavy drinker and out of control and nah nah nah? You have no way to know these things and your insistence on beating this dead horse that has *absolutely no bearing* on whether Brock Turner is (a) a dirtbag (he is) and (b) guilty (he is) is seriously fucked up. What is your deal?[/quote] PP - it clearly has no legal bearing. He was convicted. It only explains how Emily could have appeared to be less drunk than she was to Brock. Maybe you don't find that to be a relevant detail at all. But I think it's an important thing for people to consider whenever they go to parties like that. Just because a person looks fine to you does not mean that they are fine. High tolerance can mask how drunk a person is. [/quote] I would worry more about the underage drinker and drug user who pretends he can't tell when someone [i]has lost consciousness.[/i] That's effed up.[/quote]
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