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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]So now the women's swim team at Stanford speak up about Brock's creepy behavior but they were pressured not to go forward.[/quote]

Thanks for posting this.  It's being reported here:  http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/brock-turner-stanford-women-s-swim-team-105204[/quote]

O.k. I think that this is significant new info.  If women on the Stanford swim team felt threatened and creeped out by him - both during practice and at parties, it indicates a much stronger pattern of disturbing behavior leading up to this sexual assault.

[b]I was having a hard time seeing a regular nice guy suddenly - out of the blue - snapping and purposefully sexually assaulting a woman.[/b]  But if there was a pattern of increasing aggressive/creepy behavior....that would make more sense.[/quote]

I think this is what many of us were trying to get at when everyone was wringing their hands about how such a nice boy could do this: we've known men like this who can present nice in one direction, but are creepy and criminal in another. The Brocks of the world aren't nice to all of us.[/quote]

Sorry.  I was seeing young, inexperienced guy being led behind the dumpster by an older heavy drinker.  I still wonder about that whole scenario and how on earth (why!!) they wound up back there.  Not all women are nice to men either...but you're right there are some guys who appear one way in front of the crowd and are completely different around their prey.[/quote]

[b]I was getting a different picture from the interviews with witnesses in the police reports and released court documents. There is no witness evidence that he was "led" anywhere.  She was 22 and he was 19 at the time of the incident, so not such a big difference in age.

And in terms of drinking, she had not been drinking much in the months leading up to the incident. He, on the other hand, had been drinking heavily the whole time he was at Stanford, according to his own letter and had even been charged with MIP during the fall. There is also photo and text evidence of his use of marijuana and acid, so he seemed to have experience with the effects of both drugs and alcohol. Add in the witness testimony that he had been kissing and grabbing women without their permission at the party just shortly before the timeline places him with Emily when the Swedes rode by on their bikes and I was seeing a picture that correlated with the jury verdict of guilty. [/b]
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She was a self described "party animal" in her college days.  She had a tolerance if she was able to drink 4 shots in quick succession and her mom was willing to drop her off on a college campus...the girl is a drinker.  She may have been drinking less than normal in the months leading up to this but the girl had a BAC 3X the legal limit.  She was drinking cups of vodka.

You can not with a straight face call that a "light" drinker.  And you can not compare her experience to that of a 4 month freshman.  You can't.  They are vast worlds apart in experience.[/quote]

Lots of people like to say they were "party animals" in their college days. It is not all that meaningful a term. It can just as easily describe someone who liked going out dancing as someone who drank a lot. The fact is that in the months leading up to this particular night in January of 2015, Emily had not been drinking much.  Her sister was home for the weekend and she decided to spend time with her and her other friends and they were all drinking. The defendant was also drinking with his friends that night, and there is ample evidence that he had been using alcohol and drugs for at least the year prior to this particular night. He was familiar with the sight of drunk and high people.

The bolded above is the picture produced in my mind by the court documents that have been released. 
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Being familiar with the sight of drunk and high kids is actually not the same thing as being familiar with habitual heavy drinking, which Brock is not familiar with.  You don't go from light drinker to downing shots in front of your own mom and drinking cups of vodka and still looking "fine" to your much less drunk sister.  The girl stayed at the party drinking after her sister had left.

Brock is not the one minimizing the amount of alcohol he drank.  He has said that he never wants to drink again.  [/quote]

By four months into my freshman year of college, I was as familiar with habitual heavy drinking as I am now. If he was going to parties regularly, why are you insisting that he had no idea what he was doing?[/quote]

He was not the one with 3X the legal limit BAC.  He hung around with other competitive athletes - they dabbled in drugs and alcohol.  They were not blacking out and passing out behind dumpsters and swimming laps the next day or even the day after that.

It takes time to get to that level.[/quote]

Omg-what in the world is wrong with you?  Happily, you are in the (widely despised) minority on this issue.

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