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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I really wonder about the state of some people’s marriages if they are optimistic about the shiv/Tom relationship.  It’s as broken and dysfunctional as her relationship with her biological family.[/quote]

The last shot of Shiv and Tom indicate that they are at least going to try and give it a go, which is why people are speculating about how their marriage could functionally work under these circumstances. No one is looking at the marriage aspirationally. But plenty of people have marriages of conveniences or where it seems like it shouldn't work but where the interests of both parties align in a way to make it make sense. I think of the Clintons' marriage as an obvious example. Would I want it? Nope. But I actually think they do love each other and that they have made a weird arrangement that makes the marriage a good deal for both of them even though it would be unacceptable for most normal people. [/quote]

I saw it differently, after the sibling relationship blow up, Shiv had no where to go for emotional support than a man that hates her but is willing to use her for her family name/position. The look on both their faces said it all, not the least bit of happiness on her face  as the car pulled away.[/quote]
I was going to say that Shiv had no good options, but she easily could have slid into the barstool next to Roman and enjoyed her life of being free from the firm. She's always had a decent relationship with both Roman and Connor, so it's not like her fallout with Kendall would make her a family pariah. In fact, Connor will be grateful, because he gets to cash out on his shares, instead of letting Kendall bleed his stock value. She chose to be miserable to continue to play the game. [/quote]

But Roman screwed her over, too. He and Kendall both did, when they became co-CEOs and cut her out.

I don't know why any of them still want power, when they have so much money and freedom, but I suppose my brain just doesnt work like theirs. [/quote]
I think they were actually doing what was most acceptable/realistic at that point and not specifically cutting her out. It bothered me that the show never really addressed this, but there is no way that she would succeed as a former Democratic strategist becoming the CEO of the parent company of ATN which is essentially Fox News. The audience wouldn’t accept it and the result would be similar to what’s happening with the real Fox News now with Lachlan Murdoch being more in charge and their audience moving to places like NewsMax and OAN because Fox isn’t right-wing enough for them.[/quote]

But this is the point and the damage that their father really did. By keeping them all as fish on the hooks, by creating a life long competition, it ensured that they'd never be united. They would never be 'ok' with another one taking over. And even though you are right, it made sense, I mean Kendall was right, it really did make sense for it to be him, even though that made sense, Logan Roy ensured that letting someone else win would always be a poison pill they would be unable to swallow.

Roman was equally as insane a choice, he's completely unpredictable and mercurial, makes decisions on a whim. He is likely a blackmail MAGNET. I feel like while he may have had more practical experience with the actual work then Shiv he is actually far less stable.

And Kendall, honestly, is also not a particularly good choice. He DID kill someone. He was a drug addict like, 2-3 years prior in show time. He maybe tried to commit suicide in the VERY recent past (mom's wedding). He has the grooming and expertise and maybe even the actual cut throat chops but he, just like the others, is plagued with demons that don't make him stronger but make him weaker.

Anyway, while it didn't make sense from a 'who will the board accept' strategy to include Shiv, they all knew there was no future that included Waystar Royco where the sibs would all feel like they were on equal ground. That path did not exist. They had a glimpse of the path where they were equal, the path after a GoJo acquisition where they would start something new, and Kendall and Roman decided no, they wanted to win that race they had been running since childhood. They decided they wanted to win enough to cut her out. So the betrayal didn't happen when they decided it would be Kendall and Roman, the betrayal happened when they decided to sink the deal. But that betrayal was just as bad as what Tom did for sure, perhaps worse, because with Tom Shiv understands that she did not give him anything to feel confident in. She crafted that relationship to be transactional, but with her brothers, and her father, there is always the small part of her that is hoping they actually CARE about her, and they just ate away a little more at that little girl inside her. Tom is actually INCAPABLE of hurting her as deeply as they are. [/quote]

I don’t really agree with this, they didn’t tell her as soon as they decided to sink the deal but they did tell her fairly quickly.  At which point, she was already working behind the scenes with Mattson, which she never told them.  After the Caribbean op, Ken offered her ATN.[/quote]

They all betray each other constantly but it doesn’t mean it hurts less.

I don’t believe the Caribbean offering was serious. No promise they make each other is worth the paper it’s printed on. They made and reneged on deals every five seconds. [/quote]

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