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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]So now the women's swim team at Stanford speak up about Brock's creepy behavior but they were pressured not to go forward.[/quote]

Thanks for posting this.  It's being reported here:  http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/brock-turner-stanford-women-s-swim-team-105204[/quote]

O.k. I think that this is significant new info.  If women on the Stanford swim team felt threatened and creeped out by him - both during practice and at parties, it indicates a much stronger pattern of disturbing behavior leading up to this sexual assault.

[b]I was having a hard time seeing a regular nice guy suddenly - out of the blue - snapping and purposefully sexually assaulting a woman.[/b]  But if there was a pattern of increasing aggressive/creepy behavior....that would make more sense.[/quote]

I think this is what many of us were trying to get at when everyone was wringing their hands about how such a nice boy could do this: we've known men like this who can present nice in one direction, but are creepy and criminal in another. The Brocks of the world aren't nice to all of us.[/quote]

[b]Sorry.  I was seeing young, inexperienced guy being led behind the dumpster by an older heavy drinker.[/b]  I still wonder about that whole scenario and how on earth (why!!) they wound up back there.  Not all women are nice to men either...but you're right there are some guys who appear one way in front of the crowd and are completely different around their prey.[/quote]

:roll: I'm the "rape apologist" commenter, and I stand by it. Anyone who has read all of the coverage and still feels that he was an innocent kid led astray by a lying older harlot is delusional and, intentional or not, clearly defending a rapist. Thank goodness some other women are coming forward, but it's a shame that they'd have to in order for people to believe the victim and to trust that the jury made a sound decision based on evidence presented. [/quote]

I'm not going to apologize for being skeptical.  The victim was not some dumb naive fraternity party newbie.  But the guy accused of this did seem to be a socially awkward, naive, fraternity party newbie.  Women can absolutely be the instigators of sexual encounters with men.  Especially drunk women.  I've seen it enough times to know that they can be.  Just because Brock is guilty does not mean that Emily was attacked.  She could have passed out in the act. Which would put a different light on what Brock was seen doing.  There is a difference between jumping a woman behind a dumpster with the intent of sexually assaulting her and having a mutual sexual encounter with a woman, having her pass out mid act and the guy not fully appreciating how out of it she had become.  If you think the two scenarios are The Same, then you have a twisted view of sex.

Brock has had his day in court and he was found guilty and sentenced.  Now it's just a matter of trying to figure out how/why this happened.  It sure doesn't seem as though Brock went to that party expecting to leave it a sex offender.  And Emily did not go to that party looking to become a victim of sexual assault.  But that is what happened.

Asking why that happened two these two specific people in this specific situation is appropriate given the amount of coverage this case has received.  It's possible that Brock was nothing but an ahole opportunist who finally got his chance.  It's also possible that two reasonably good people both made some extremely bad (and atypical) errors in judgement that night.

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