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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I really wonder about the state of some people’s marriages if they are optimistic about the shiv/Tom relationship.  It’s as broken and dysfunctional as her relationship with her biological family.[/quote]

The last shot of Shiv and Tom indicate that they are at least going to try and give it a go, which is why people are speculating about how their marriage could functionally work under these circumstances. No one is looking at the marriage aspirationally. But plenty of people have marriages of conveniences or where it seems like it shouldn't work but where the interests of both parties align in a way to make it make sense. I think of the Clintons' marriage as an obvious example. Would I want it? Nope. But I actually think they do love each other and that they have made a weird arrangement that makes the marriage a good deal for both of them even though it would be unacceptable for most normal people. [/quote]

I saw it differently, after the sibling relationship blow up, Shiv had no where to go for emotional support than a man that hates her but is willing to use her for her family name/position. The look on both their faces said it all, not the least bit of happiness on her face  as the car pulled away.[/quote]
I was going to say that Shiv had no good options, but she easily could have slid into the barstool next to Roman and enjoyed her life of being free from the firm. She's always had a decent relationship with both Roman and Connor, so it's not like her fallout with Kendall would make her a family pariah. In fact, Connor will be grateful, because he gets to cash out on his shares, instead of letting Kendall bleed his stock value. She chose to be miserable to continue to play the game. [/quote]

I also just think if Shiv wants companionship she undoubtedly has friends, or she could call up Nate, or whatever. Obviously the scope of the show is narrow but the idea that she has no choice but to sit awkwardly in a car with her estranged husband feels a bit limited to me -- I don't think she'd be there if she didn't think it held some interest/opportunity for her.

There was an interesting interview with Jesse Armstrong that I can't remember the origin of now, but where he was talking about Roman and Kendall and how they would move on from this. He said that for Roman, he'll find other ways to occupy his time and this will wind up being kind of a weird interlude in his life where he got really involved in the family business and tried to keep the company after his dad died, but he'll just move on. But that for Kendall this will always be the defining moment of his life and he'll never get past this failure.

My read on Shiv over the course of the show is that while she obviously has major issues, she's more emotionally resilient than the other two and more independent, and that she really did build her own separate life in a way her brothers didn't with her career and even living outside New York. So I tend to think she's unlikely to consign herself to a situation longterm that is miserable. At the moment the show ends, her dad has been dead a little over a weak and she's suffered a humiliating professional blow, but I don't think that means she has no choice but to lock herself into a miserable marriage. Either she'll make that marriage serve her interests or she'll divorce and figure something else out. Unlike Roman, she's not a masochist. [/quote]

Armstrong also addressed Shiv, it’s already quoted in this thread.[/quote]

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