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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]My daughter is 10 months older than the youngest kids in her class because she has a late-October birthday.  It's been a struggle to keep her challenged.

Most of the boys I know who were red-shirted just weren't ready socially/emotionally for kindergarten at age barely-5.  they were bright kids, and not small, but I can see why their parents made the choice they did.[/quote]

So twenty years ago everyone was "socially/emotionally" ready for K and now suddenly we are raising a bunch of immature little kids? Nope. It's the parents who have their issues that are putting them on their poor little kids.[/quote]

It's pretty well accepted that K has changed a lot in the last 20 years, so it follows that "readiness" would also change... But I guess some people pity children whose parents wait to send them in the hopes of making them healthier and happier...[/quote]

what has changed? Serious question, people always say this but I think the opposite is true.  [b]K is so dumbed down now, what is challenging?[/b]  I feel sorry for the almost 7 year olds that have to sit in a class reading K level reading books and using the calendar to count, checking the weather calendar...sitting in a circle like 5 year olds.  Three kids have gone through and if anything it is EASIER than it has ever been.  We did the private school route for one child so he can go "on time" Sept. birthday.  Other two are summer bdays and never considered holding back.   Even in their correct grade the challenge is very minimal.  And PP, if you think holding back is going to make your kid happier and healthier you are a complete dumb ass.[/quote]

You must have gone to some academic, gt kindergarten.  I went to a half-day kindergarten where we sang songs, took a nap, played duck-duck-goose, made art, had lots of unstructured play and recess time, learned our letters and numbers and how to write them. Big emphasis on learning to listen, sit in a circle, and sharing.  My kids by contrast, had full-day kindergarten with no naps, only one recess, and homework every night in kindergarten that included reading comprehension (answering questions about what they read) and math problems.

FWIW the only people I hear express regret about their decision with late summer birthdays are those who sent their children on time and think their kids really struggled esp. in middle school and beyond. My SIL and her husband have long regretted not keeping back their August son, who ended up having to take a break between high school and college.

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Most five year olds have not napped in 2+ years.  If they attended preschool, they should know how to listen, sit in a circle and share.  They should know their letters and numbers via preschool.  If not, the preschool and parents failed them.  Homework is simple in K and 1st.  I don't see the complaints in less you don't work with your child at home.  Concerned about the lack of recess - put them in activities or take them to the playground before and after school.  The school's job is to teach. Kids can play on their own time.  My first grader is starting multiplication at home per his request. Sadly, the school will not teach him. [b] I[b]f anything, it needs to go at a faster pace, not slower. [/b] And, if kids cannot handle basic K. then yes, they probably should be held back, or better, send them to a preschool that prepares them as clearly the play based is not[/b].[/quote]

This goes against all recent research about early learning.  Check out the Finnish school system. 93% graduation rate from high school, and 100% literacy rate.  And their kindergartens are completely play based. “Play is a very efficient way of learning for children,” [said a Finnish kindergarten teacher] “And we can use it in a way that children will learn with joy.”  Which means they don't push reading at this stage.

http://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2015/10/the-joyful-illiterate-kindergartners-of-finland/408325/

http://stuff4educators.com/index.php?p=1_77_Finland-World-s-Best-Readers

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/innovation/why-are-finlands-schools-successful-49859555/?no-ist
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We do not live in Finnish and they have a very different culture and environment than we do.  Look at other countries who do push their kids... they are far passing us and taking our jobs.  I never pushed my child to read.  He told me one day he was reading to us and he did.  He surprised us with knowing how to read.  He asked to do multiplication and higher level math.  Why on earth would I not encourage him.  If parents need to hold their kids back for K., then something is wrong and either the parents or preschool failed them by not getting them early intervention.[/quote]

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