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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][It's hot in hell - like a trip to the islands!

Anyway, genius, do some research:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/religion/story/gospels.html

[quote]Of these then, Mark is the earliest, probably written between 70 and 75. Matthew is next - written somewhere between 75 and about 85, maybe even a little later than that. Luke is a little later still, being written between 80 and maybe 90 or 95. And, John's gospel is the latest, usually dated around 95, although it may have been completed slightly later than that, as well.[/quote]

So Jesus died btw. 30 and 33 AD.  Mark wrote about Jesus' life 40 years after the fact.  I hardly think his memory was that good.  And note how long it took John to write his?  Therefore, their accounts were not contemporary!

Furthermore, there's no evidence showing that these four men even wrote these accounts themselves.  They never mention their names for one. And these were "gospels according to . . . ," which distances the author from the material.   Therefore, internal evidence is lacking.

I've already addressed external evidence.  However, keep in mind that early on, any references to the gospels were general - referred to as the memories of the apostles. In fact, the names weren't added until the end of the second century.  again - not a contemporary account

Yet Pliny wrote directly to Tacitus - contemporary as well as external evidence.

get it?

Literacy was NOT for the masses.  I recognize that. Again, that's why Greek plays and pageant wagons were used in a didactic fashion to get the word out to the masses.

With THAT in mind, while there was speculation that these men (if they were indeed real) were literate, it certainly took them long enough to get the word out, eh?  and even longer to get their NAMES out . . .

You have no leg to stand on, sweetie.

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Oh get over yourself. You really are a piece of work with the insults and ValleyGirl-speak and whatnot. And you can't reason your way out of a paper bag, which is pretty sad for somebody who keeps claiming so pathetically to be the smart girl in the room.

So you "hardly think that [Mark's] memory is that good." Wow, I'm convinced now! Somebody ranting on DCUM claims to have insight into Mark's long-term memory function, call the Pope, Tammy Bakker and Deepak Chopra! So you're unhappy that Jesus' illiterate followers were incapable of writing things down, and that these stories, which obviously made huge impressions on the actual witnesses, had to wait several decades to be written down. So you don't like that the gospels served as compilations of stories (did you miss that a few pages ago, and that's why you're now insisting that there should be a single author?). In other words, you just don't like the era's historical standards for recording events.

For your own sake: stop ranting already. First, you just look like an ass, with all your babyish insults.

Second, we don't care. We don't care about your opinions on Mark's long-term memory. We don't care that you're dissasfied with the historical standards of 80AD, that you don't like compilations, and that you're raving about how Jesus' illiterate followers should have committed everything to YouTube or something. We don't care that you've at least heard of Pliny or that you can wave your hands vaguely about Greek plays. (But those of us who majored in history snicker when you keep insisting that letters are always and necessarily reliable, while other ancient sources are never reliable. Please!)

We don't care ... because Christians and non-Christians have known all about all of these things for centuries. And Christians--and even many non-Christians, despite their definitional lack of faith--have accepted that these documents, despite being recorded in line with the historical standards of that time, are valuable records of the doings of a man called Jesus.

I notice that I'm the first to reply to the last 3 atheist posts - it's clear nobody else wants to address your childishness and sillness.

Joining them now. Buh bye![/quote]

And the best you can do is to come back with this?

And I'm childish for bringing in evidence?

Good Lord, sweetie - Did you graduate from an accredited college?  [/quote]

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