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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Another atheist, who does not believe in hell, or any afterlife.

So what happens if a murderer/rapist/abuser does not "find" the correct religion/god in their life. Do they get a pass to repent, and then go to heaven?

But then again how can a murderer/rapist/abuser not know that their actions are wrong, no matter what, regardless of believing in a religion/god?

How can a god NOT put a murderer/rapist/abuser in hell, even if they "repent" a million times over?

And if repentance is not necessary to enter heaven, then what's the point of religion/god?

Ultimately I don't believe in any of it. The heaven/hell/afterlife question is just one of many, many reasons why I don't believe in religion/god. [/quote]
Repentence IS necessary to enter Heaven. And what would the threshold be for evil acts before you're disqualified? That's why the murderer/rapist/abuser argument is tough to defend down the line. When do the scales get tipped so that you're beyond hope? But God in His love and mercy is willing to forgive anyone who seeks forgiveness through Christ.[/quote]

Do you realize what a bad ambassador for Christ you are? [/quote]
I guess I don't. I am always happy to learn how to improve, though.[/quote]

Try not being so doctrinaire -- but that might not be possible, given such rigid beliefs.  I think the effect might be that you're turning off some of the very people you'd like to bring to Christianity.   But maybe that's OK with you -- free will and all.[/quote]
I try to think about how to state things best, but I don't see how to bring someone to Christianity without defining what it is, which I suppose is what you'd call doctrinaire. Doctrine is very important to Christianity. And besides, [b]why is it so off-putting to tell someone that God will forgive them their sins if they'll trust in Christ? [/b]That's where I was at one point, sinful and lost, and I was very happy to have Christ to turn to. Perhaps someone else will experience that same peace and joy. Just thinking nice thoughts about Jesus being a nice guy isn't enough. Jesus is God and necessary for our salvation. It's important to know that. [/quote]

Because it presumes that they think they are sinful and need to be saved, by Christ, of all people, whom they may be getting along just fine without -- or getting along with their own kinder, gentler version of Christ.  You don't seem to get that what was so helpful to you, might not be what others want or need.   Your way or the highway.[/quote]

^^meant to bold the off-putting section[/quote]

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