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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Here is proof they are as bad if not worse.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/11/03/the-torture-video-shaking-israel-to-its-core/[/quote]

Who the heck thinks IDF does no wrong?[/quote]

When the discussion hangs on “who is worse, these ‘sub-human animals’ we’re relentlessly browbeaten into being told are terrorists or this foreign nation that has received over $300 billion (with a ‘b’) in direct aid from our U.S. government over the past few decades, primarily hit the purpose of bombing those terrorists back to the 9th century?”, you’ve already lost the debate …[/quote]

Bombing them back to the 9th century won't help; that's their current level of civilization, as amply demonstrated by their behavior.  The Palestinians need systemic cultural reform if they are to evolve from their persistent inability to help themselves.  [/quote]

I’m glad you said this because such misconceptions about “unsophisticated” Palestinians are why Israel let 10/7 happen in the first place and probably it’s why 9/11 happened to. They really think they are less intelligent subhuman animals and laughed off all the memos and all the warnings  they received about Hamas wanting to take 200 hostages and takeover the country yet they did just that in less than 48 hours.

Arrogance  is Israel and the United States  biggest problem. What they did in sandals and parachutes   Is something Israel could’ve never dreamed would ever happen and her it did.

Being the richer country or the one with the most tech means nothing at the end of the day. Hamas studied the Vietcong in depth and copied the tunnels/trench warfare strategy and its one the Israelis know they can’t win at or defeat.

They are going to leave Gaza once again with their tail between their legs unable to finally rid the  strip of Hamas or Hezbollah for that matter.

Israel lives in a Bubble of delusion 
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Yet, somehow, apparently against all odds given Hamas' strategic and tactical genius, Gaza was reduced to rubble, 60K or so Palestinians are dead, and what is left for the Palestinians is about half the size of what they occupied previously. [/quote]

This, for sure.  Hamas rose to power on promises of exterminating Jews and Israel, but succeeded only in provoking a notable degree of self-destruction.

All the whining about IDF activity conveniently avoids any recognition for why IDF activity occurs at all.  Had Hamas stayed in Gaza, there'd be no IDF activity to complain about.  There is plenty of apologist wailing about how staying in Gaza wasn't tolerable, acceptable, reasonable, a insufficient base for beginning to build a working society, etc., but it all boils down to a replay of Dec. 7 1941 but with different actors:  a sneak attack predicated on a belief that the status quo wasn't going to satisfy the attackers' expansionist and nationalist dreams.  Apparently the Palestinians are who Santayana and Churchill had in mind when they said that those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.  From 1948 to now, the Palestinians have lost every conflict they provoked, but do they ever contemplate a path forward which doesn't involve violence, terror, or co-existence with Israel?  It seems that's too complex a concept for them.  [/quote]

Hilarious. Moronic, but hilarious.

So IDF war crimes in Gaza are merely in response, huh? Explain their war crimes in the West Bank then?[/quote]

What "war crimes"?  Losers attaching labels doesn't imbue them with legitimacy.  The West Bank was lost by Jordan in a war it started.  It belongs now to the victor.  If the inhabitatns prefer to live in Gaza with their brethren Palestinians, bon voyage.

Don't like losing territory?  Don't start conflicts.  [/quote]

When America throws Israeli aid out with the trash in the future, do you really think the IDF can hold the line against Egypt or Iran? Saudi and Jordan? Russia or China? How long before an oil blockade breaks the IDF? You can't even get half the Jews in the country to put on a uniform, and that’s the only population that's growing.

Your demographics are pathetic and your religious (as opposed to cultural) diasporic international jewry is diluting with intermarriage. No one's going to be lining up sending troops to defend Israel because of people like you. The Leroy Jenkins meme may finally be able to be replaced.

I'm expecting your reply to start with, yeah but we have nukes because there are no rational or reasonable responses to 80 years of crimes against humanity. [/quote]

Israel handily defeated Egypt and Jordan in the past.  Russia and China couldn't care less about the Palestinians.  Saudi Arabia is a client state of the U.S. when it comes to their military - they can't use their against Israel without losing access to U.S. weaponry, and they'd lose anyway, as well have having zero interest in supporting Palestinian expansionism.  Iran is enfeebled and incapable of successfully attacking anyone.

Try again.  [/quote]

This is a strange argument to make because Israel has an Iron Dome. Why would any Arab Air Force waste time and resource where there’s a missile defense system?

The better question to ask is why was Iran able to pierce the Iron Dome this past July? Perhaps the Saudis and Jordanians and even America didn’t intercept everything on purpose to slow Netanyahus thirst  for war.

With all due respect, it seems like leaving things to surprise attacks by lone jihadist extremists has worked  very well for Arabs in the past. Small scale
Attacks are
Worse because they are way
More unpredictable than a fleet of submarines or jets speeding toward Israel.

The problem is Israel thinks it’s safe when it’s not. For all we know, some
Of the Hamas who raided and attacked on 10/7 are still alive and well in Israel as  sleeper cells gaining
Intel. It’s notable that they all speak Hebrew despite never being in Israel a day in their lives. The hostages all said they were shocked by how fluent Hamas was in Hebrew as if they had studied it for years [/quote]

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