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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][b]I find it funny how black and white grown adults can be when arguing on this forum. Yes, it's true you can get a quality education at a large state school just as you can get at an Ivy/T20. But it is also true that the academic quality of your peers is going to be universally higher at the T20.[/b] I went to a state school and I worked my butt off and got an amazing education with some great opportunities, and had some very smart peers. But the general quality of my peers and what they've accomplished nowhere compares to my son's ivy league peer group. Does that make one experience objectively better than the other in every way? No, of course not. [/quote]

I think that I generally agree with this but limiting this to the T20 is insufficient.

But what I absolutely do not agree with is the idea that outside of about 10 schools the peer group is significantly different. Those 10 schools aren't uniquely special and in a group of their own in terms of peer group. They are part of a group of about 25-30 universities and about 12-15 SLACs which all have student populations whose profiles mostly overlap and any assertion that any one of these campuses provides an environment that is significantly different than any of the others in terms of intellectual peers is just nonsense.[/quote]

it may be more than 10 where the noticeable drop is, but it is not 25-30 unis and 10-15 LACs before the gap[/quote]

I haven’t studied the latest ranking, but it’s about 15 or so in my humble opinion. [/quote]
agree[/quote]

No CMU, WashU, NYU, Emory, GTown, USC ..... It goes deeper than people think[/quote]
There are known ivy professors who have publicly lamented from experience that the students at some of these schools are not even close to the average group at the ivy they taught at[/quote]

Name them with links to where they said this, please.

Most professors couldn’t give a f*ck about the undergrads, even at Ivies, so I have a hard time believing this is some common trope.[/quote]

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