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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Did you ever notice she can’t feel anger in her songs?  It is always dressed in either sarcasm, seeking vengeance or delivered in a monotone.  
But she doesn’t really allow herself to feel it in her music.

Blank space- she is angry but uses “satire”. Look what you made me do: monotone. 
 The song about killing someone’s wife: monotone.

Even in mad woman, she covers up angry lyrics with peaceful piano.  This is the biggest level of misogyny out there (that women shouldn’t express anger) and she does little to break the barrier. 
DO you think she plays it safe when it comes to anger?  I think she never really owns anger with her voice and feelings, but she talks about it in a removed way. [/quote]

Have you listened to The Smallest Man Who Ever Lived?[/quote]

I just tried. The first 40 seconds are the same 3 notes, with a tinkly piano.  It’s mean, but not angry. The music behind her is tinkly and her voice is far too smooth to denote anger even though the words may come from anger, it doesn’t show in her voice or the music. Later on the piano gets a little more strident, but then she is singing about not being able to say anything and just “dying inside.”

Own that anger, Taylor, say it to the person you are mad at, don’t make a tinkly song about it half denying your feelings. (By that, I mean the musical half).

This is where the idea that she is always a victim comes from.  Her lyrics don’t match the tone of the songs and her vocal style, she claims anger, but it never shows in the music or her voice, and then her lyrics come across as mean.

OTOH, if she were up there getting righteously angry, she wouldn’t be the good girl role model for young girls. A  true Catch 22 this misogyny stuff.
[/quote]Interesting. I can feel the anger and hurt, so different strokes. Fans may also have a different experience because they’re familiar with her live shows. Songs like “The Smallest Man…” and “Illicit Affairs” are sung differently live. There’s a reason they call her show/latest album “Female Rage: The Musical.”[/quote]

I'm a casual listener through my kids, but I definitely hear anger in some of her songs. Whose right is it to tell someone else how to demonstrate anger whether loud and brash or more subdued, EITHER way?[/quote]

Oh jeez- of course she has the “right” to express her anger how she wants to. Duh- I just never hear the passion of say Adele’s hurt or Alanis’ anger in her voice.  To ME, it isn’t there.  She just doesn’t let herself get into her songs. And yes, I am only me, but this thread is asking if I (and you) like Taylor Swift. And I am explaining that she doens’t appeal to me and trying to figure out why. When I listen to her, I want to tell her to actually SING about that, not just whisper it away.  I hear hurt, meanness and woe, not anger. Like she lashes out, but needs to do it sweetly rather than angrily. Woven into that is the damper of misogyny.

Of course she gets to express herself how she (or really how her fans want her to if you listen to her describe her plight in Ms. Americana) wants to. That is the last thing i would want to say to another person, that you should express something ONLY a certain way. But as a listener, I also can say that I don’t hear very much anger or passion in her songs. To me, she sounds like she is holding back and so she appeals less to me than other artists. [/quote]

DP.  Of course you can interpret her work any way you choose, but since you brought up "misogyny" - it's kind of ironic that you feel she should emote in a certain way, or else she couldn't possibly actually be angry.  That's like the guy who tells a woman to "smile!" except you're telling her to... scream, shout, wail, cry?  Who knows.  She's expressing her anger the way *she* expresses it.  [/quote]

Again, not what I am saying. I’m not telling her HOW to feel. I’m definitely not talking to her except in my head and I have full confidence that anything I type here has zero effect on her. Either way, I don’t think pointing out unhealthy expression of anger is a misogynistic. [/quote]

And you're the arbiter of what's a healthy expression of anger? And you can't see that suggesting that there is such a universal thing for women (women only apparently) is in itself misogynistic? [/quote]

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