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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Malcolm X was right, guilt ridden UMC white libs are the worst. Always "whitesplaining" to us black "folk" cause it makes them "feels" good to be the white knight. As a black person reading some of these posts it's really something to behold. [/quote]

Actually I believe most of the posters here are white people talking to other white people to convince them of their views.  Me included.  I understand you personally don't support these initiatives, don't find them helpful, and don't think white people should be talking about this.  I did hear your opinion.  I am here to share mine.  After all, I'm a tuition paying parent.  So my opinion is more relevant than a rando DEI opponent.

I'm fine with criticism.  I agree ineffective things were done. But there are things of value that were done as well.

Many people are pointing out that talking about problems and feelings makes things openly worse.  I agree that can be true.  But the alternative can be one-sided heavily negative outcomes for one group while the other goes blissfully about their lives.
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Actually most people here read the article and want to discuss it not hear your general feelings about DEI. It’s hard to support failing initiatives that don’t even help or support the people they were designed for, ie the non white people in the article who had opinions that are very different than yours. Maybe read the article and come back later.[/quote]

PP. I read the whole article.  I am providing relevant, complementary info and context.

It's hardly useful to use a thread about an article to say "See, I always knew DEI was bad".

I feel that there are actually relatively few actual professors and students cited in the article.  Out of the thousands of possibly impacted people.

Although I agree a lot of time and effort was spent to write the article, I do not implicitly trust that the student leaders speak for all of their group.

I want to hear more concerning the issues raised.  From people who have facts and direct experience with Michigan, not just randos with opinions.  That could include more from the persons cited in the article.
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If you claim greater standing because of your connection to Michigan and dismiss others without as randos you are not understanding that, although the specific subject of the article is Michigan, the broader discussion is whether this style of program is an effective use of societal resources to address what most of us see as an issue. 
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PP. OP's title is "DEI at Michigan".  Many who responded early were specifically discussing Michigan.

An argument could be made that the spend at Michigan was "too much". And the results were ineffective.

However, I think it's a real stretch to assume that Michigan's spend/experience/liberal track record means that "DEI failure at Michigan" is highly relevant/extrapolatable to general society.

For one thing, quite often large initiatives are decided upon and sustained by just a few leaders (CEOs and the like).

For another, the number of apps keeps rising. Whatever's going on, it's certainly not discouraging people from wanting to study at Michigan.

And another thing...what falls under DEI is relatively institution-specific and geography/demography specific.  I personally would not use findings from a study of Michigan to make guesses about how UC schools should approach their communities.
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