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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]EXCLUSIVE single family zoning. Everywhere where it is currently allowed to build single family housing, it will still be allowed to build single family housing.[/quote]

It just won’t be commercially viable unless you can get more than $2 million for it. [/quote]

Ok, so for new buildings, there will be (for example) two units on the piece of land instead of one? That seems like a win. More housing units for people to live in.[/quote]

Duplexes don’t pencil. It’s a waste of time to talk about duplexes. [b]They’ll need to build triples or quads to make it work.[/b] It’s great except for people who want to buy a townhouse or detached SFH. You know, the people who planning says we need to keep in the county by having cheaper housing. Most of them aren’t leaving for apartments. [/quote]

Sounds good.[/quote]

I live in a neighborhood that would be upzoned (by the way! Not everywhere! Just within a mile of transit, yes?). I am very in support of this. We have some duplexes and triplexes grandfathered in already and…the world hasn’t ended. We even have some low rise apartment buildings that date from before…across the street from my house. Again, the world has not ended. We have more neighbors on our street, it’s vibrant, and good people can live here. Walking distance to the elementary and middle schools - some restaurants scattered around - it is a diverse neighborhood, a great place to live. I’m here to report that the world doesn’t end when there are duplexes, triplexes, townhomes or even apartments in amongst detached houses. [/quote]

Do let us know where the people in duplexes and triplexes are going to park in your neighborhood (in mine, I can barely get a parking space  on the street, even in a neighborhood with single-family homes) or how your local school is going to accommodate the increased population of kids--because my kids are at MCPS and I can tell you that a class with 27 kids in lower elementary school, and 34 kids in middle school does not result in an optimal educational environment.[/quote]

Great point. It’s time we start permit parking (2 passes per residence) and school vouchers as well (2 vouchers per residence). Tell me how this works out for the multiple families with 3 and 4 kids in our CC neighborhood.

I’d rather have a retired couple in a townhome with a garage than a neighbor with 6 cars when their teens start driving. Not to mention the bikes and scooters currently cluttering their yard. [/quote]

You should move to a townhome in an area zoned for townhomes.  See how easy that was?[/quote]

And you should move to a rural area if you only want SFHs around you.[/quote]

DP. Why should I have to move if I don’t want an apartment building built right next to my modest cape cod? The one I bought when this absurd proposal wasn’t developed and before developers started manipulating the county leadership to undermine the integrity and quality of life of middle class / working class neighborhoods like mine so they could make $$$$ with the faux promise of “affordable” housing.

It’s also the epitome of privilege to tell people “just move”, btw. So obnoxious.[/quote]

How does living next to an apartment building "undermine the integrity and quality" of your life?

Are you really just saying you don't want to live next to black and brown people, or anyone that might be lower income?

Because don't worry, those new apartments and townhomes will probably cost more than your crappy cape cod.[/quote]

I am the poster you’re responding to. We moved to our neighborhood because there were many families here who are black and brown, which was important to us. I have close family that are POC.

Our “crappy cape cod”, as you put it, was what we saved 10 years to buy - a decade - and no, having an apartment building next door will not help our home value. You know this which is why you have to resort to degrading me and my home to try and make your point.

You just proved that the whole “YIMBY” movements is driven by [b]developers who want to humiliate people like me[/b] to believe that unless I comply where their exploitation of middle and working class neighborhoods, I am an elitist/racist.

Your post is so gross and awful.[/quote]

How are you being humiliated? Because an anonymous poster is insulting an architectural style of housing, which - I guess? - is the style of housing you own and live in?

I am not that poster, and I actually don't have anything against cape cods. The architectural style of housing I have an animus for is split levels, especially split foyers.

None of that has anything to do with the proposed zoning changes, though.[/quote]

Suggesting people are racist and degrading the quality of the home they saved for and bought as “crappy” simply because they want to preserve their home value and the nature of their neighborhood seems pretty mean spirited with the intent of humiliation to me.

So interesting the people who want to tell middle class and working class people who bought homes in middle class and working class neighborhoods that they need to be more open to developers otherwise they are racists is master maniputiom. [/quote]

Some anonymous rando makes an insulting comment about Cape Cod houses - whose property values will most likely increase, not decrease, with the zoning changes - and you conclude that it's developers trying to get the zoning changes passed by calling middle class and working class people racist?

Your home value will most likely increase with the zoning changes.

The nature of your neighborhood will change with or without the zoning changes. Your neighborhood was changing before you moved in, it is changing right now, and it will continue to change even if the current zoning is engraved on stone tablets.[/quote]

It is very possible that the property values decrease if the neighborhood becomes less desirable most buyers in the market. Then the developers swoop in like vultures and buy the properties at lower prices which hastens the decline and this causes the cycle to accelerate. It is not guaranteed to increase the value and it can actually lower it if the rezoning decreases the desirability for most buyers. [/quote]

Generally, when developers swoop in, prices go up, not down.

Or maybe people will take advantage of the lower prices to buy homes to live in. Unless they're outbid by developers? But again, that would make prices go up, not down.[/quote]

There is no evidence that home prices go up when developers swoop in, especially when we’re talking the results of this development can include over capacity schools (already an issue in the county), streets with no parking for residents (already an issue for my neighborhood), and overtaxed infrastructure.

You’re giving entitled YIMBY and developer talking points, and dismissing and disparaging the current owners of homes in these areas - middle class, working class, black, and brown - as racists simply because want to preserve the neighborhood they bought into.

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The complete lack of ability to make any predictions about the outcomes of these actions make is very clear that we shouldn’t be moving forward with them.

Problem is, it’s not about housing, it’s some childish battle over an imagined “exclusionary” zoning policy. It makes them big sad that everyone can’t live everywhere.

We really should be reaching out to the Spanish speaking community to make sure that they aren’t being sold some white libertarian YIMBY version of events.

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