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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]There were 35 traffic fatalities in 2022. Here's what happened per the DC government:

12 deaths -- pedestrian error
9 deaths -- speeding driver
4 deaths -- drunk/stoned driver
4 deaths -- driver error
2 deaths -- bicycle error
2 deaths -- medical emergency
1 death -- scooter/motorcycle/atv error
1 death -- hit and run/unknown

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This is a crock of bullshit.  The DC crash data doesn't provide attribution of fault. This person posting this is interpreting every crash involving a dead pedestrian or cyclist as them being at fault. They are wrong.

This is what's so $!@#*(& up about this "debate".  The idiots protesting road diet changes don't understand a goddamn thing about data yet say stuff like this like its fact.  Absolutely freaking ridiculous.[/quote]

This is all nonsense.

The figures come from the police department. Each year they put out a report that includes data on the causes of traffic deaths in the city. You can look them yourself.

For 2022, see page 24 of this report: https://mpdc.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/mpdc/publication/attachments/AR_2022_lowres.pdf[/quote]

Any source - from the MPD or otherwise - that attributes every single crash to a single cause is just not serious.

I’m happy for you that you found a single publication that you think gives you the prerogative to blame cyclists and pedestrians for their own deaths, but you should also be aware that it reveals to the rest of us a gross ignorance and lack of critical thinking.

I look forward to you presenting your revelations - courtesy of the 2022 MPD Annual Report - in a public meeting and outing yourself for the fool that you are.[/quote]

The report lists the "predominant cause" of each fatality. Also, is there someone else, besides the police department, who investigated what happened in each of these accidents? [/quote]

Ask yourself who at MPD prepares annual reports. Then ask yourself if the authors of annual reports are those who complete major crash investigations. Further ask yourself what the investigators of those major crashes likely think about their work being crudely summarized in an idiotic tabulation. And then go felch yourself.[/quote]

Yes, it's just a big conspiracy.

You're the only person in Washington D.C. who is pissed off that so few people here are killed by speeding dirvers. [/quote]

What was described is the opposite of a conspiracy.

You’re the only person - well, probably not the only person, but among a select few - who refuses to understand the simple reality that excessive speed is a necessary condition in fatal accidents in a city where speed limits are set low enough to preclude fatal accidents when drivers adhere to them.[/quote]

As the data shows, the majority of traffic deaths in Washington DC have nothing to do with excessive speed. [/quote]

You and your “data” are a sick joke. [/quote]

It's the DC government's data. [/quote]

I have only a couple of questions for you. Do you honestly believe that every vehicular crash has a single cause and that crash investigators can conclusively determine whether a vehicle was exceeding the speed limit at the time of the crash? If you answer yes to both questions, then congratulations! You think your tabulation is relevant to this discussion. But just don’t expect anyone else to pay the slightest heed to your nonsensical opinions.[/quote]

Have you been in an accident? The police do pretty thorough investigations. And a lot of people rely on them, including the families of people involved, insurance companies and the court system. We put some people in prison for the rest of their lives based on those investigations. [/quote]

Then let’s see the investigation reports and discuss those, rather than the meaningless crap the deranged crank is misrepresenting at “data”. [/quote]

The official results of the police investigations are "meaningless crap" being misinterpreted?  You are insane.[/quote]

Reducing the results of a complex investigations to a single cause is indeed meaningless crap. No sane person would believe otherwise.[/quote]

Like cars?[/quote]

Well, SUVs, trucks, cars all being larger, road design, distracted driving from mobile phones and entertainment centers, etc, etc.  So, no.[/quote]

I thought "Reducing the results of a complex investigations to a single cause is indeed meaningless crap. No sane person would believe otherwise."

Does that mean that you are not sane?[/quote]

PP here.  WTF are you talking about.  You replied to some other PP who was saying traffic crashes are complicated and so assigning blame to a single thing is crazy by saying "like cars", implying that anyone saying that drivers are a problem are doing the same thing.  Except its not just cars.  It's not just drivers.  It's the whole freaking driving ecosystem you dolt.

The cars are larger.  They are infact mostly not even cars anymore - they are SUVs.  And even the cars are larger.  This means they take up more space.  They have more aggressive flat fronts.  This means they are more dangerous when their front ends come into contact with a human being, who now goes UNDER instead of OVER.  The vehicles are loaded with electronical bullshit that distracts the crap out of the driver, to the extent that some vehicles don't even bother with a dashboard and i
instead slap a 20in HID in the center of the vehicle.

So no, it's not just "cars".  It's everythign about the ecosystem being just absolutely terrible for the people who AREN'T in the vehicle.[/quote]

To put things into context, American roads are now more dangerous than Russian roads. Surely that should shock some people out of complacency. 
[twitter]https://x.com/NinaByzantina/status/1829468375795339688[/twitter][/quote]

Watching Russian dashcams on youtube was a legit past time in the 2010's.  Now there are more good 'ol USA dashcams on youtube than russians...[/quote]

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