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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Workplaces are happy to provide accommodations that improve their business outcomes. If they can find someone to do the job just as well without them, it’s an unnecessary cost. But if the cost of the accommodation is low and the work product is good, I think they’re pretty likely to get it. [/quote]

Right but "please give me double the time to complete all my work" is pretty much never going to be profitable or good for business. [/quote]

Nobody is asking for double time for projects. When a student is assigned a project they don’t get double time.

If my employee needs extra time to do x  I ask, when will you have it completed not the other way around.

You sound like someone who has never worked a day in their life[/quote]

I run a team of about 20 people. Yes many/most deadlines are flexible and it is common for there to be some give and take on deadlines. In particular, as people become more experienced and when they are SME, I tend to give them more deference on timelines because I trust them to know how much time it will take to do something correctly.

However,

There is a big difference between "this is going to take a few extra days because I need to run these numbers against the ones from 5 and 10 years ago if we want the analysis to be maximally useful to the client" and "I put this off until the last second and then realized it was a lot more work than I expected it to be and now need more time." And while sometimes people who are good at BS can make the latter sound like the former, eventually everyone figures it out. And especially when I have a newer team member who I'm giving more discrete tasks to or who is mostly doing work to support projects "owned" by other people, getting persistent push back on how long things will take or seeing lots of signs of procrastination are huge red flags and unless it is addressed fairly quickly will mean they will not move up and in many cases may be asked to leave (I have been through 3 downsizings and people like this are easy layoffs when we are asked to tighten our belts at the department level).

So while I agree the workplace is not identical to the circumstances students face in school, there are more similarities than you seem willing to acknowledge. And people who are accustomed to having their limitation accommodated instead of learning how to work through them on their own tend to be workplace liabilities. Everyone has challenges. I myself am a procrastinator by nature, but I use lists and fake deadlines and other methods to ensure this tendency doesn't impact my work. And the reason I have those tools is because I didn't spend my education being told "oh it's okay you're brain is just different -- here is extra time and support to complete your work." I was expected to meet expectations just like the student next to me, who for all I knew was dealing with their own unique challenges. That's life.

Or it used to be before we decided that some people are special and should get all the rewards of hard work and discipline without actually working hard or being disciplined. Well that is not going to work out great in the workplace even if schools have bought into it. At some point you have to figure out how to get your work done without the handholding.[/quote]

I have 200+ engineers who work for me and in 20 years thousands.

I’ve rarely experienced any issues like you describe. Maybe you need a therapist.

Engineers tell PM’s when they will complete their tasks, it’s put into a plan and adjusted when real issues arise.[/quote]

Huh I am an engineer working as a PM with engineers working under me and this is NOT how my workplace works. Deadlines are imposed by the org or client and we are expected to meet them. I am currently understaffed and regularly have to do work that I should be assigning out to engineers because I am short people and running too many projects (org is also short on PMs and is struggling to find people for vacant positions at my level). When I have to go to my bosses to explain we are missing a deadline for one reason or another it sucks and people are NOT understanding.

I have no idea where you could possible work that there basically are no set deadlines and everyone gets to just tell you how long something is going to take but that is not the reality in any workplace I've been in. I don't know how you even run a business like that -- how do you budget man hours to a project? Don't clients exert pressure when there are time and cost overruns? It sounds like you must work in development with a big budget? I cannot relate.

(Also telling someone who disagrees with you that they "need therapy" is just obnoxious. Engineers are not always known for our bedside manner and I can be rude by accident sometimes but that's just jerk behavior.)[/quote]

Then you’re a terrible pm.

Data only moves so fast so if we are doing an upgrade and need to live data our boss can’t tell us how long that takes, we tell them.

Fast, good, cheap

Pick 2[/quote]

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