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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The issue with liberal politicians and press/media mocking the lab theories and dismissing them as conspiracies is that it erodes public trust in both politicians and the media. Who can you believe when you are being mocked for something that turned out to be correct? It might not be a big deal per se whether it came from a lab or not, but the consequences of these small lies are long-lasting and great.[/quote]

The problem is we were/are drowning in misinformation and disinformation. There is no standard on how to deal with it. The media (right and left) just feed stories to anger their audience because it gets the viewers.[/quote]

And the answer to that problem is not to shut down conversation. It's to educate people to be skeptical and think critically. [/quote]

Science is supposed to be open minded and responsive to the evidence.  The vicious shutting down of a lab leak debate in the early days of the pandemic is the opposite of what science is supposed to look like, and it created discord between the public and scientists right when the pandemic began.  That suspicion of the public got worse and worse as time went on, but this is where it started.  People aren’t idiots.  They look at where the pandemic broke out, the crackdown on information from China at the time, and know a lab leak is a possibility.[/quote]

It didn’t matter. In spring 2020 the lab leak theory was a worthless conversation.
Unless you worked for the White House and needed to change the subject from your abject failures. [/quote]

There is nothing worthless about finding out where a virus that killed millions originated, both for understanding how it can about and for preventing it in the future.  No amount of stomping your feet that this is an unimportant topic is going to be convincing to people.  It mattered then and it mattered now.[/quote]
It mattered BEFORE the pandemic.
It matters now.
No. It did t matter then. 
Unless you just want to punch Asian people. The I guess you got the conversation you were looking for. [/quote]

This idea that investigating a lab leak at the time a pandemic broke out is out of bounds unless you “want to punch Asian people” is patently absurd.  [/quote]
Investigate it how? How were we going to investigate it? We weren’t handling the emergency happening here. We weren’t controlling the aspects of the pandemic that were in our control. But you want to pretend China was allowing an investigation. Or that we were capable conducting one. 
Ok. [/quote]

Oh good, so we have moved on from the silly “punching Asians” accusation?[/quote]
You are a lazy jerk, with a bad memory. That doesn’t change the fact people got attacked..[/quote]

You just made an accusation that I don’t recall anti Asian bias.  I never said that.  I have said that the suppression of the lab leak theory at the time was wrong, which it was.  You seem obsessed with the idea that you can’t investigate a lab leak and condemn anti Asian hate.  That’s a fallacy.[/quote]

You in 2020: “I’m going to perpetuate a theory that l (presently)  have no evidence to support, that is contributing to fomented violence against Asian Americans.”
Media and feeling persons: “let’s not dig into unsupported origin theories right now, because it’s unhelpful and literally hurting Asian Americans”
You: “ how dare you silence me!”[/quote]

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