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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]it's so hard.

when dh lost his job just before the pandemic, it coincided with the apex of all this and he had multiple interviews for over a year where people said look - you are not a diverse candidate and that counts against you. I think the issue is that DEI has too often been either presented as or misconstrued as an 'at the expense of' situation. which actually runs counter to the entire premise. I dont know the answer but it sucked at the time. [/quote]

Utter BS [/quote]

Not this poster, but why do you think this is BS?  I work for a large organization and our hiring practice is if all things are equal, hire the diverse candidate.  It does count against you not to be a diverse candidate.  I can also tell you with certainty it is much more difficult to deal with performance issues with a diverse employee.  They will get a lot more chances and a lot more rope than a white person.  No one cares if you fire a white person.

The issue (to me) is there are so many environments, systems, and employers where black people genuinely are discriminated against and are treated unfairly.  Those persist and then in these more DEI-forward environments, or whatever we want to call it, the pendulum has swung so far the other way it's causing other problems that I believe actually hurt the issue overall in the end.

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+1 OP here

We cannot actually give points to diverse candidates but my boss has indicated race matters - if we can't justify not hiring a BIPOC candidate we have to hire them, whereas the same does not apply to a White candidate. Basically the underlying assumption is the BIPOC candidate has to be significantly worse to not get the job. In one case we hired someone who I could tell was not awesome, then she turned out to be horrible, had to be fired and then raised a big stink about being because of racism.

[b]And none of this helps competent BIPOC employees who have to contend with perceptions they are diversity hires[/b].[/quote]

Yeeeaaa, they’d have to contend with this anyway. Funny how racist a-holes assume minorities must have only gotten jobs because of DEI or are incompetent, but if these same people walk into an office of all white people, they assume everyone is qualified. Funny how that works. [/quote]

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