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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]test optional was a failed experiment[/quote]

it wasn't an experiment it was due to testing centers closing during the pandemic[/quote]

My 2023 and 2024 kids had plenty of opportunities to take and retake the SAT over most of their high school years.

The only graduating years that should have been test optional was class of 2021.

Instead, they doubled down on test optional, and ended up with a bunch of kids from the "you get an A if you login to most of your classes and do this quizlet" generation with school shut-down inflated grades, lack of skills needed for rigorous classes, and no impartial SAT to show whether or not they possessed the intellect to overcome the significant deficiencies of their pandemic "school" years.[/quote]

Yup, this makes me sad for my dd who was 2023 and had very good SAT scores.  Fortunately, she loves where she wound up.[/quote]

So you believe some stupid kid who had a lower score but didn't have to show it took her spot? Seriously? [/quote]

Absolutely, I think most kids admitted test optional would not have gotten in otherwise (that’s 20 to 50 percent of the class at most schools).  And the fact that these kids aren’t performing well two years and schools are rushing to go back to test required reinforces that belief.[/quote]

Please. Show me the data where all the TO kids are dropping out of college. It's like the only place you learn is through the posts that repeat your biased, uninformed perspective. That is not why they are resinstating. They are reinstating to do better at admitting a range of qualified kid--and mostly to stop getting sued.[/quote]

I didn’t say they were dropping out, I said they weren’t performing as well.  The data UT released showed that students admitted test optional has a gpa a full point less than those who submitted test scores.  [/quote]

DP: UT data was significant. The data from Dartmouth, Brown, Yale, etc. was a difference of .3-.5 points, e.g., 3.3 vs 3.6. They are using the data to bolster their policy change but the real reasons are equity/access, control resources (too many apps/ not enough time/labor), and legal cover.[/quote]

Yes, they said that because they want minorities and first gen to continue to apply.  But that isn’t the reason for the change, test optional was an experiment that didn’t work.

I don’t have the desire to go back and look at what the other schools released but I don’t think they all released information about gpa differentials so I think your reference to 3 plus schools is incorrect.

At Caltech, the faculty asked the school’s admin to reconsider test blind because of faculty concerns about declining student performance.  The result was yesterday’s return to test required after a month or two of research.
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