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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]PP here, there is precedent for criminal prosecution and impeachment to both occur separately without one precluding the other

https://www.senate.gov/about/powers-procedures/impeachment/impeachment-claiborne.htm[/quote]

But aren’t Trump’s lawyers arguing that criminal prosecution is *not* possible for a president?  I thought they were saying that impeachment is the only resolution.  But impeachment doesn’t mean jail time, so how is that justice?[/quote]
Trump's lawyers are arguing that impeachment and conviction is a *prerequisite* for any possible jail time. Does that sound stupid? Of course it sounds stupid because it is stupid.[/quote]

Trump's lawyers are correct.  Otherwise, Obama would be sitting in jail for killing American citizens over seas.[/quote]
If Trump's lawyers are correct, why did Ford need to pardon the never-impeached Nixon?

And I'm just curious - what would you say about all the police officers who have killed American citizens in the course of their work? Certainly some of them (Derek Chauvin for example) are in prison - but not all of them.[/quote]

Law enforcement officers have immunity for actions taken within the scope of their official duties. When an officer kills someone, the first question is whether they were within the scope of their official duties. In the Chauvin case, the court found that kneeling on the neck of George Floyd was not part of Chauvin's job.

The same standard applies for presidents. [/quote]

Law enforcement has qualified immunity from civil lawsuits.  They have no immunity from criminal laws.[/quote]

Without immunity arresting someone would be kidnapping. [/quote]

No, it wouldn’t.  Kidnapping is the “unlawful” taking or carrying away of someone by force or fraud.  An arrest by a law enforcement officer is lawful.  Please stop playing lawyer.

By the way, chauvin did not raise any immunity defense at his criminal trial.  Because it doesn’t exist.[/quote]

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