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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Maine has one of the laxest gun laws in the country. Amazing this guy could go to mutiiple locations, open fire, and not one "good guy with a gun" could take him out.[/quote]

Actually seeing as how Maine has a strong gun culture, I am very surprised none of his targets had a gun and shot back.

If you can't beat them, you have to join them.  [/quote]

Uvalde was the end of the good guy with a gun theory.  When trained law enforcement financed by tax payer dollars won't even take on theis ridiculous weapons, it is time for them to go.  (Again...they were banned before and the world continued to spin)[/quote]

AR15 rifles were never “banned,” as opposed to having restrictions on new sales.

In Uvalde, the craven, despicable, cowards who swore to uphold the law and protect others hid in fear and refused to allow others who were willing to take up the task to do so. [/quote]

When Law Enforcement doesn't want to rush a maniac with an AR-15, maybe we should think about not allowing the public to purchase AR-15s?[/quote]

I think Israel has taught the opposite. In this world of terror and open borders people need the right to defend themselves with power and not be helpless.  If you choose to be a gun owner or not it is a right. [/quote]

Or maybe you can look at Japan where ownership of firearms (and no ownership of weapons like AR-15) is severely limited and there is little crime and no gun massacres. I guess this would be a much better option[/quote]

Japan and the United States are so completely geographically and culturally dissimilar that any attempt to analogies them is patently fallacious. Japan is a group of islands in the middle of the ocean; the US is an enormous land mass with obviously porous borders. Japan is homogenous and xenophobic; the US is perhaps the most heterogeneous place on earth. The Japanese were disarmed by tyrannical, despotic warlords in 1588 so that they could be controlled, oppressed and exploited; the United States made an affirmative decision in its foundation to protect private arms ownership as a guard against precisely that sort of misgovernment imposed in Japan, and to a lesser extent by the British in the then-colonies. And even Japan has firearm crime, by mobsters and a recent political assassin armed with an improvised but effective firearm. [/quote]

There are lots of differences - but you cited US as having porous borders.  We export arms, we don't worry about importing them.  When we decide to disarm, our borders won't be an issue.  [/quote]

You mean like there’s no problem since we made narcotics and other drugs unlawful?  Nope. None of that coming over the border. Especially Chinese fentanyl. Nope. None of that.

And you don’t seem to comprehend that nobody “disarms.”  The agents of government; powerful people and their cronies and stooges; criminals, always have firearms.[/quote]

The mass shooters were none of the above. The government needs to make ammunition inaccessible price wise. [/quote]

I agree that prohibiting the sale of ammo is the way to go.

Then gun nuts can “collect” their phallic symbols to their heart’s content.[/quote]

Because, god knows, there’s nowhere in the world or domestically that ammunition could be manufactured, smuggled in from, or obtained by diversion from “legitimate” stockpiles.

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It takes a much higher level of effort and will weed out many if not most mass shooters.[/quote]

It takes precisely the same effort as obtaining unlawful drugs and will “weed” (no pun intended) out no one with even minimal motivation, least of all a motivated murderer. [/quote]
Sandy Hook shooter's mom bought him guns. Doubt she'd be going out of her way to smuggle in ammo for him.[/quote]

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