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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Huge spike?  [/quote]

it’s honestly like these people get excited from contemplating a “huge” spike[/quote]

There is a difference between giving a warning and getting "excited."

If you don't already have long covid, and don't want to mask, fine. Go for it. [/quote]

We don't want mandates coming back because of those who want to mask and, most importantly, can't wait to force everyone to mask again.  In some places mandates already restarted.  The idea that we will continue living like this with masking and possibly lockdown waves every now and then and all the division and friction among people doesn't make me happy.  If it makes you happy, you are a sociopath.  We know that this virus isn't going away, it's a merry-go-round thing.  Masking and lockdowns didn't stop it even in places implementing most draconian measures.  And it's not about personal protection, this has been always available to everyone who wanted.  Some continued wearing masks and never stopped, they were not unicorns. 
 and nobody really cared about this until the usual "recommendations" that lead to mandates in some places first (already started) and then spread like cancer all over, into every classroom, office, store, public transit, etc.   [/quote]

It doesn’t make us “happy” to acknowledge that this is in fact what is happening. It is reality. There will be waves. They are disproportionately dangerous for some in our society and not to others. The question is: how do we respond to those facts?

Your preference is we all act like it’s not happening and some degree of eugenic selection occurs and in fact may even be celebrated (as it has been in this very thread).

My preference is a society that values inclusion of disabled people, and in a society like the one I want there will be some masking required—especially in places where personal presence is not optional.

For those of us who cannot take the chance of repeated COVID infection, those mask rules make us more free to move around the world with the same freedom you claim to so prize for yourself and in general.

We can each repeat ourselves about this forever. The bottom line is you are highly ideologically motivated to act like masks do not matter and I am highly motivated by a desire to keep living as normally as possible, and without additional disability, to act like they do. Don’t confuse that with whether I am “happy” about it or not.[/quote]

But if the mask protects the wearer, why do you need others to wear the mask? [/quote]

because they are in love with the slogan “my mask protects you and your mask protects me.” I have a very sweet friend who would get upset about this because she truly believed that as long as anyone else believed that her masking would help them, she should do it. she didn’t want to make anyone uncomfortable. she  wasn’t open to discussing the actual science or acknowledging that some people really dislike masking (or are prejudiced by it) because it upset her to feel like people were being “mean” about it. [/quote]

Ah, no. That is not the answer to the question the PP asked me. I’m pretty confident in my own N95 (which has been fit-tested)

Masks reduce transmission. The science is clear. But as that science also demonstrates, masking as a practice is imperfect—not everyone wears or can wear them correctly, has access to high-filtration masks that fit, etc.

When the variants are highly contagious, reducing the total amount of virus circulating, especially in spaces people are required to be in, improves everyone’s chances of avoiding illness. That reduction happens by masking and it also happens by filtration and ventilation.

All of that has a disproportionate positive impact on people who are experiencing disproportionate negative impacts in trying to be present and participating in our shared society most of the rest of the time.

My view on this has nothing to do with making anyone comfortable or uncomfortable. Comfortable or not, mean or not—it’s irrelevant to this view. The question is: are we doing all we can to keep people in my community—who are also in the disabled community—alive and as healthy as possible, or not?

My answer is we should be. Yours is that we shouldn’t.

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No, my answer is a) you are wrong about the benefits of masking and b) you are showing huge cognitive bias in decreeing one rather random thing that means we are “doing all we can to keep people alive and as healthy as possible.” How about universal health care? Reducing air pollution? Getting everyone to wear sunscreen? Taking the bus instead of driving to reduce global warming? Did you fly on vacation this year and emit a ton of carbon just so you could have fun? You’re NOT “doing all you can.” You’re fixated on one arbitrary, mostly talisman symbol of what you think represents “I care more than Republicans do.”[/quote]

This is not about individual virtue-signaling behavior. This is about who the society will show care for and who it chooses to treat as discards.

What ARE you willing for us, as a society, to do going forward to minimize the number of disabled people getting killed or seriously injured by COVID because we encounter it in public spaces that we have no choice but to go to? 
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I’m certainly not willing to mask, because it’s not effective. And why do I have a specific moral responsibility about COVID? I mostly take public transport, do you? I’m saving many more lives that way than masking. [/quote]

You’re not answering the actual question, which is not about individual behaviors.

Congratulations on riding the bus.[/quote]

you just said it’s not about individual behaviors and you’re quizzing me about what individual behaviors I am willing to do “for us, as a society”? Clearly you are talking about individual behaviors in service of a nebulous idea of “society” and “safety”. [/quote]

No, I am asking you whether there is any policy whatsoever to reduce the spread of COVID, especially to vulnerable people, that you’d support.

Your attempt to distract from the fact that you can’t/don’t want to answer that question is leading to absurdity like discussing transportation options.[/quote]

I’d personally support insurance coverage for actual N95 masks for immunocompromised people.

But not those paper KN95 made in China paper masks with all the gaps.[/quote]
Is this not covered already?[/quote]

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