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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]What exactly was the assault? There are such varying degrees and it makes a difference is he touched the girls leg vs raped her during the flight.[/quote]

[b]He allegedly put his hand on her back (under her shirt)[/b] while the girl had her head in her mother's lap (the girl was having a panic attack). The man then touched the mother's leg and thigh. They apparently then told the flight attendants about the assault, but the flight attendants said that there was nothing they could do.

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I am NOT blaming the mother but only commenting on what I would hope I would do if in a similar horrendous situation: I am as non-confrontational as them come but if anyone - anyone - ever touches my child inappropriately I would [u]completely [/u]go off on them. I'd start screaming as loud as I could and pointing at the person and if no one came to help immediately I'd literally start throwing things (a flight magazine, a blanket, whatever I could get my hands on) to get people's attention to the situation.

No one ever will touch my children inappropriately in my presence. [/quote]

I’m a pretty passive, non-confrontational and very petite person and I think I’d go ballistic if someone inappropriately touched my son in such an obvious way. I’d be grabbing and twisting his arm away, pulling his hair, whatever to address the threat. I hope I’d be screaming and yelling, too. [/quote]

+1
I may freeze in disbelief if someone touched me but if I saw someone assaulting my child I'd become enraged to the point where I would worry I'd become physical[/quote]

That’s not so prudent with a drunk unknown man who could easily go postal and stab your child with a pen.  No one recommends attacking sexual predators.  You need to get away (hard to do on a plane admittedly.) and if all else fails videotape the behavior (because lord knows the unenlightened half of DCUM/America won’t believe the victim unless they see it videotaped.) [/quote]

I understand what you are saying but, no. If someone is assaulting my kid I am not going to sit there video taping it. 
I am going to defend my kid at all costs. I will not add to my child's trauma by sitting there and not defending them physically if necessary.[/quote]

Agree. If all else fails I'll be stabbing the attacker with a pen not meekly holding up my phone and asking him to please stop, patiently and kindly.[/quote]

Come on. You aren’t doing this. That’s why this guy got away with it. Because he knows people won’t do this. Fantasizing about what you dream would happen versus reality doesn’t help the conversation at all. [/quote]

Try it and find out. [/quote]

Okay tough guy. 🙄[/quote]

DP here. You are mistaken. What I also don’t get is why mom didn’t at minimum switch seats with daughter so mom was next to the pervert. [/quote]

The mom was already in the middle sear, which is clear from the write up.  It says the guy reached over her to get to the kid.  [/quote]

Well, at some point the teen was next to the man, apparently in the middle seat.

[quote]When the teen’s mother informed the intoxicated man that her daughter was a minor, [b]he drew attention from other passengers when he said that he did not care and proceeded to reach over the 16-year-old to grab at the mother’s arm, [/b]the complaint states.[/quote]

I wish I could see the lawsuit, because the article says that the women then told the flight attendants that the man was making them feel unsafe. Why didn't the mother tell them that he had grabbed her arm?

The People article goes on to state:

[quote]The filing states that the “terrified” teen began to have a panic attack, putting her head in her mother’s lap, when the man “frightened” her by putting his “clammy fingers” underneath her shirt and touching the clasp on her bra strap.[/quote]

That's when the teen jumped out of her seat. It's not clear where she was sitting at the time, but there's no mention of changing seats. It sounds like the teen was still in the middle, next to the man, but leaning toward her mother when he touched her. But then again, who knows, because it says the man then reached over to touch the mother's leg. So he reached over the empty seat?  If the mother was between the man and her daughter, does that mean that the daughter was leaning toward the man?

If these allegations are true, Delta should pay. Regardless of the assault, I think they should be responsible for overserving alcohol and allowing passengers to be verbally abused by another passenger. However, I agree with the others that something feels off about these factual allegations. [/quote]

PP here. I found another article which sets:

"Minutes later, the lawsuit said the girl jumped from her seat when she felt the man's hand on her back beneath her shirt, touching the strap of her bra. The man then reached across the open seat and put his hand on the thigh of the girl's mother, the lawsuit stated."

So the girl continued to sit between the man and her mother even though he was asking her inappropriate questions and was belligerent and intoxicated. Again, not saying suggesting that these women deserved to be assaulted (if the allegations are true), but it is extremely odd that the mother would allow her daughter to continue to sit next to the man, given the circumstances. Why?[/quote]
Does Delta allow you to sit wherever?[/quote]
They don't allow you to sit wherever, but you can certainly swap seats, so long as both parties agree. People in the same travel party swap between seats all the time. It's an odd detail if the mother didn't swap seats sooner. The first time I read it, I assumed she was in the middle seat through most of the conflict. [/quote]

If the father was also on the flight seated somewhere else, then the daughter could have changed seats with him.  But she didn't.[/quote]
There’s exactly ZERO indication that the girl’s father was on that Delta flight. Try again.[/quote]

Not zero.  Someone upthread said he was also on the plane.  Which, if that was the case, is a big problem for the mother and daughter's story.[/quote]
Girl, some rando saying it anonymously on the internet without attribution = ZERO[/quote]
Exactly. There’s zero evidence that the girl’s father was on that flight. There seems to be someone here defending [b]Delta’s gross irresponsibility for serving up dangerous quantities of alcohol[/b] to a drunk man on a flight.[/quote]

There are several posters surprised that alcohol is free-flowing on transatlantic flights.  And disapproving, in a Puritanical sort of way.  [/quote]

Ah, so if you don't support enabling alcoholism, you're "Puritanical." Gotcha.

And yes, if you can't easily make a transatlantic flight without alcohol, let alone a limited amount (say 2 drinks instead of free flowing) you're definitely an alcoholic. [/quote]

A lot of people are scared of flying.  That's why alcohol is liberal on long flights.  It's not to promote alcoholism.  I'm informing you because you didn't know that.[/quote]

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