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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Btw—it does seem like the IEPs are grouped together in one class so then only one Special Ed teacher is needed in one room. I think there’s an argument that it’s not for the best for child development even though it helps the principal with staffing. [/quote]

Well yes, but there's no right to "the best".  [/quote]The point is that the principal is creating the restrictive environment for learning by placing 12 IEPs together. [/quote]

What's restrictive about it?[/quote]They are restricting the IEP students to one specific classroom. [/quote]

So, the argument is this: It is restrictive to put my "good disabled" child in a class with those other "bad disabled" children! My child is [i]normal[/i] but [i]those[/i] children are a problem! All the disabled children who can pass for abled should get a special classroom separate from the disabled children with disruptive disabilities! How dare they need support, too! Why must we all be lumped together when everyone knows my child is better because their disability isn't as obvious!

Which is a pretty problematic way of looking at things. Just say it plainly, you don't want your child educated with students who have disabilities, despite having a child with disabilities yourself. [/quote]

Wow, you seem to have brought other baggage to this conversation. [/quote]

No, I am just annoyed by the argument that some disabilities are detrimental to other students' learning, which has been brought up repeatedly in this thread. That a student needing more support somehow robs other students of support and lowers the quality of education for everyone. [/quote]

Why do inclusion classrooms at all then? Wouldn't it be easier if all the kids with disabilities were separated from the kids without disabilities? Then they would have all the supports right there with them! we should actually combine the IEP kids from different elementaries if they don't have the numbers for a full class. That would make it easier for the system to provide the legally required services!

Do you get why that's something a lot of parents with kids with disabilities don't want?
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The problem is that the higher need disabilities take up the majority of the time and the instruction level is geared toward them so other kids' needs aren't met.  If your child is a higher need, then its great for them, but not so great for kids who need social peer modeling and on grade-level academics.[/quote]

This is the exact argument people use against inclusion of any type. "Having any disabled students in the class means the teacher will spend all their time with those children and bring down the level for everyone." Do you get why a lot of parents of children with disabilities might not want people using this argument?[/quote]

No one is arguing that.  The discussion is is it ok for all kids with IEP's to be put in one classroom out of 3/4 classes.  The correct answer is No, but it's happening anyway.  The kids should be mixed up in each of the classrooms.

What we are saying is that out of the 12 kids, they should be mixed in with 3-4 in each classroom vs. all 12 being in one classroom.[/quote]+1 it is happening at our elementary school, too.  All IEP students are lumped in 1 classroom out of 4.  [/quote]they are not in the Least Restrictive Environment.  This seems like a potential lawsuit for the school district. [/quote]

The confidence with which you speak misinformation is incredible. The gen Ed classroom is the LRE[/quote]

It's fascinating that apparently in Maryland a "gen ed" classroom is just whatever the school system wants it to be. This is the Illinois School Code info on gen ed classes:
A general education classroom is one that is composed of students of whom at least 70 percent are without identified special education eligibility, that utilizes the general curriculum, that is taught by an instructor certified for general education, and that is not designated as a general remedial classroom. (23 Illinois Administrative Code 226.731)[/quote]

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