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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I can't believe I'm defending chesterbrook- but you have proved nothing.  There is no restriction in NVSL rules for swimming for the NVSL and another league, indeed many kids do this to swim long course with their club teams and swim summer league.  Sure its a little odd that he was swimming for 2 different rec leagues so far apart (its a long way from PG county to mclean)- but as long as his family had a bona fide membership at both clubs he's not breaking any rules.  Perhaps the parents are split and he divided his time between mclean and PG county.   [/quote]

First - year round (club swim) and summer swim are two different things.  And, no one ever said you can't do both.

This is about the fact he was swimming for 2 different summer leagues at once.  You are correct, there is nothing in the rules that states you can't swim for more than one summer league.  The only restriction NVSL places is you can't swim for 2 different teams that are a part of the NVSL league.  The interesting thing is he ONLY swam for them in 2019.  He never swam for them before or after.   He has no other time records in the NVSL database.   Why would he only swim with them for 1 year?   Chesterbrook needed him and his times.  Just because he wasn't technically breaking the rules, doesn't make it right.  [/quote]

It goes against the principles of rec league, you know community based fun swimming. Swimming for two rec leagues is BS when he did not have ongoing relationship with one of them.

Also, NVSL states that you have to have a family membership with the pool in order to swim there and most require you to live in the house.  [/quote]

D1 is not really rec league [/quote]

The entire league is REC league. Just because some teams have managed to cheat the system doesn't mean they are exempt from the rules.[/quote]

Unless you believe that three pools just happen to produce the best swimmers from their membership year after year for decades, it's pretty obvious that it isn't a rec league at the top [/quote]

like another poster already pointed out, what really makes these top 3 pools so good every year is their membership size is so much bigger than other pools in the NVSL.  So even though our lower division pool may be able to beat them in a few cohorts (e.g 8u boys), these top teams consistently have so much depth they will dominate us in a meet.   Even if you think Chesterbrook cheated here (i agree this does go against the spirit of the league), I don't believe cheating is rampant at these pools.  [/quote]

There memberships aren't really that much larger than other pools and certainly not enough to explain their results. The top 5 or 6 divisions are packed with similar sized pools, but these three win ever year[/quote]

I can't really debate this since I don't know where to find all the data on pool membership size.  Someone earlier mentioned that Overlee has over 800 families. That is well more than double the size of our pool (Div 3).  Also, I have been to both Overlee and Chesterbrook (but not Tuckahoe) for non-swim league things.  Their facilities are massive compared to ours.  They both have a secondary pool that i think could probably host a meet without even using their larger pool. [/quote]

It's all in the bylaws!

Overlee - capped 800 families, summer memberships allowed
Tuckahoe - capped to 3250 people, so ~ 800 families, temporary memberships allowed
chesterbrook - capped to 550 families, summer memberships allowed
Donaldson - capped to 650 families, summer memberships allowed
Highlands - capped to 500 families, summer memberships allowed
Mclean - capped to 450-500 families, renting out memberships allowed[/quote]

What does “summer memberships allowed” mean? [/quote]

They either specify that they allow people on the waitlist to pay a fee and have a summer only membership. Or they give themselves leeway and state they can give temporary memberships at their discretion. It’s all in the bylaws. Some places allow people to rent out their memberships. Others allow temporary memberships to renters. Some can let employees skip the waitlist. Some let family members skip the waitlist. There’s always a way in, people. [/quote]

Are you talking about August passes? You’ve listed “summer memberships allowed” for a bunch of pools that are only open in the summer. August passes are valid after the swim team season is over and doesn’t include swim team privileges.[/quote]

NP. I know that at least one of those clubs offers full summer membership - I knew someone who did this for a couple of years. The waiting list opens once a year on a certain date. From Chesterbrook’s membership information website:

Summer Use Privileges for Individuals/Families on the Waiting List
The Club grants summer use privileges to individuals or families who are waiting for Full Membership. The summer use privilege dues for those individuals/families for 2023 are $1,630, regardless of the size of the family. Summer use privileges include the use of the facility during the time period when the swimming pool facilities are open, usually mid-May through Labor Day, although the period may be extended or shortened as dictated by the weather and staffing. Individuals or families on the waiting list are welcome to participate in all teams and programs; they may not, however, vote or participate in annual or special membership meetings.  Those with summer use privileges may enroll in spring, summer and fall tennis programs, teams and lessons under the member fee structure.[/quote]
We tried to get a summer membership at Chesterbrook this summer.  I clicked the moment registration opened (and I'm usually really good at getting spots in summer camps this way) but have been told that we're unlikely to get a spot.  There are 80+ families ahead of us in line--I'd be completely unsurprised if families with strong swimmers are jumping the queue for a summer membership.[/quote]

It is certainly suspicious that there are 80 families ahead of you somehow when you clicked right away. I bet most of those families have kids who did swim team last year.[/quote]

We clicked at the exact moment it opened. Our email confirmation even came across at 12pm. We were offered a spot. We know someone whose email says 12:01 and they were 150 on the waitlist. You can be suspicious all you want, but it is just that lots and lots of people apply. [/quote]

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