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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote]In a nutshell, yes.

I believe that marriage is a religious ceremony that forms a union before God (or that person's "God"). 
Civil unions are for those who are non-believers and/or those forming a union outside of "the church". [/quote]

First, while you may have been right 500 years ago, marriage today is much more than a religious ceremony - it's a civil contract that provides rights and responsibilities.  You can't separate the secular and religious aspects - they're too closely intertwined.  As I said earlier, I'd be fine changing the naming convention for ALL legal marriages to "civil unions" and leaving marriage to the church.  But if the government continues to recognize "marriage" as the legal contract it currently is, sorry, gay people have just as much right to it as anyone else.   [/quote]

I agree with this, which is why if it comes to a vote today, I would support gay marriage. While I don't agree with it, I realize that equal rights trumps personal feelings and/or beliefs.

[quote=Anonymous]On a related note, one of your brethren, a few pages ago, chastised another poster for not debating "real issues."  The issue s/he didn't think was real was what the gay rights movement was called - it other words, the name wasn't important, just the substance behind it.  So I guess i'm confused - if the name isn't important, what's the big deal calign a gay union "marriage?" [/quote]

One of my brethren?  Oh boy....

But to answer your question, one size does not fit all. Those who oppose gay marriage do so for a variety of reasons, so it stands to reason that folks will have differing opinions about why *they* are anti-gay marriage.

[quote=Anonymous]And finally, the only reason you've articulated against gay marriage is a religious one - you want the government to (continue to) enshrine a religions definition of marriage in secular law.  That seems . . . problematic.  [/quote]
Where do I say anything about religion in my post? Please use caution before you jump so eagerly on the anti-religion bandwagon. [/quote]

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