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I don’t think people would be defending a male athlete throwing hot coffee on a female athlete for some perceived wrongdoing that had been investigated and dropped by two different investigatory agencies.[/quote]

That's not the issue.  Throwing hot coffee on another person is not defensible.

The concern is how the university handled that transgression.  Was it overly punitive?  Was it appropriate to threaten removal of her degree?  Is it fair that other students who commit physical assault don't face similar consequences?  Should her previously clean disciplinary record (3+ years on campus) be considered?  Should their knowledge that she was seeking therapy factor into how they delivered this news? Was it necessary to draw out the process for six months and deliver the threat of expulsion within hours of the filing deadline? Was there appropriate due process? And the bigger question...did the sum of their actions contribute to her death?

Stanford's OCR judicial process was under scrutiny for over 10 years prior to this incident.  Reforms were recommended.  It seems many of those reforms were not implemented.

I'm not sure the university will be held accountable, but one can hope this leads to reform of their disciplinary process.  This is a life that could have been saved with a different approach...that's the real tragedy here. 
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Can you please give examples on how it was overly punitive?  I read the complaint and I don’t see it. [/quote] you don’t think that including not receiving her degree is punitive for allegedly throwing her coffee given her history at school. Really? [/quote]

So, you don’t seem to understand how these things work and your indignation is misplaced.

She wasn’t being investigated for throwing coffee on someone. She was being investigated for assault which covers everything from throwing coffee on someone to beating someone to within an inch of their life. The punishment for assault on any campus is going to be up to expulsion.

The school doesn’t determine the punishment before running through the investigative process because you don’t want to tell the accused the limits of the punishment and then find out there was much worse behavior. Realistically, if there was nothing beyond the coffee, she wasn’t going to be expelled.  [/quote]

And you don’t seem to understand that it was her perception of message received and had put the school on notice of the stress it was causing her. Delivered In a callous and irresponsible manner that left her isolated and desperate despite everything she had done for school. It does matter what the offense was and her history. You may want to dismiss that but you are wrong, if “realistically” she would not have been expelled, then they should not have threatened it. And by the way, she DID already provide her side of the story months ago. The school failed her plain and simple. And hopefully they will pay but more importantly act differently next time. [/quote]

No. The whole point of due process is that you can’t go easy procedurally on Katie and then come down hard procedurally on Brock Turner. If you start doing that, then You threaten the integrity of your punishment on the real bad actors like Brock Turner. It doesn’t matter that she was stressed by this. I’m sure EVERYBODY who goes through the process is stressed by it. A fair and impartial process requires that everybody be treated the same until the process is over. Then, when doling out punishment, is when you adjust for things like “she was a great kid who screwed up” and “this was a heinous act which can’t result in a second chance”.

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Katie and Brock Turner, and what they did, are not even remotely comparable.[/quote]

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