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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]You cannot fault the Europeans, who at the time did not understand the germ nature of disease, for the killing of natives who had no immunity to European diseases. The stories of Europeans deliberately bringing smallpox to natives were true, but they were the exception not the rule. In the 14th Century Europeans nearly all went extinct during the Black Death--who you gonna blame for that? [/quote]

We can certainly fault them for violence and oppression. [/quote]
Who cares? Everyone who did whatever bad things you want to list is long dead.

My family came to this continent in 1981. I don't have any responsibility or guilt for something that was done by people centuries ago.

One of the great things about the US is that you're not held guilty for the sins of your ancestors. [/quote]
The atrocities perpetrated on Native Americans are not just historical footnotes from long ago. The effects of centuries of oppression of Native Americans are still felt very keenly today. They continue to suffer disproportionately from poverty, alcoholism, lack of access to appropriate medical care, and domestic violence. Native American women and girls are murdered at a far higher rate than women in general. We don’t need to feel guilt over how we got to this place, but we certainly shouldn’t turn a blind eye to suffering and pretend that it’s not relevant to us. [/quote]

+1000

Plus, if you step foot on this continent you are occupying stolen land.[/quote]

How could it be “stolen” from people who had no private property that they owned to begin with?[/quote]

Huh? Because they didn’t have written land deeds recorded at the county courthouse it didn’t belong to them? [/quote]
A tribe can only hold onto land until a stronger tribe comes along and takes it from them. That's the way of the world.

No, we're not giving our land back to tribes that couldn't hold onto it in the first place. [/quote]

Question here, would you support more modern day colonization?  If the US is a "stronger tribe" why do we not just go overtake a lot more land mass than we already have?  We are getting crowded and low on natural resources....why not go take them?[/quote]

Not the PP you’re asking, but of course not. It’s a dumb question. I’m not sure humanity is “progressing” in a purely linear way toward being more just or generally “better” in a moral sense than we used to be. But big picture you can certainly make that argument.

Rights of women, minorities, disableds, etc across the board improved. Most countries and cultures are far more respectful of others—even absolute vitriolic racists and very bad people are a hell of a lot gentler than they used to be. And the vast majority of countries (excluding religious ethnostate autocracies) are downright kind. We spend trillions on welfare both inside and outside our own borders. We’ve developed laws and frameworks for protecting minority rights. Tech advances mean we’re not killing each other for things like water and food. Global capitalism is responsible for like 90% of this btw.

So yeah, the rules are different now. But we’re not going to launch into decades of global givesies backsies where everybody and their brother has a sob story. [/quote]

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