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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Cyclists (versus casual bikers) are a menace to pedestrians. In dense business areas and high volume traffic areas, they should be required to carry a license and registration — probably insurance too.

I’d also like to see cameras on crosswalks. [/quote]

They're a menace to their own children. I saw a cyclist this morning with a small child on the back of his back riding down the middle of New Hampshire, between the two lanes, during rush hour. Spectacularly dangerous. How are people allowed to put children in this situation? [/quote]

In cars, children must be strapped into approved car seats. On bikes, they don't even have to wear helmets. It's a real blind spot in the law. But, sure, let's focus on the real problem...(checks notes)...cars turning right on red after they've stopped?[/quote]

Because *checks notes* they don't actually stop.

THAT is the problem. Since the law has been in place for decades, the aggressiveness of drivers had gotten worse. Since driver abused the freedom, they now lose it.

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Of course they stop. The hyperbole on this thread is ridiculous. If as many drivers ignored stop signs as you say, traffic would be completely unpredictable -- they would be *thousands* of accidents every day, the death toll would be staggering and bicyclists would have to be insane to venture out into the streets. Of course none of that is happening because the nearly every driver follows the rules. [/quote]

24 people have died on D.C. streets this year, out of tens of millions of trips. You're much, much, much more likely to be murdered. [/quote]

It should be zero. That you think 24 is acceptable is quite a tell.[/quote]

I don't know the details of all those 24 deaths.  But the ones I do know, it was the bicyclist at fault.  Should bicyclists be more protected from their mistakes?  Probably, so I support the red light changes.  But I'm not sure that the Idaho stops will increase safety for everyone in DC, especially pedestrians, who are a miniscule population in Idaho.[/quote]

Please share the police reports in the cases you have knowledge of where a bicyclist was killed in DC because I've not seen any of the police reports.

In the two most recent cases the evidence was pretty clear that the person on the bike was killed when the overtaking driver passed them and then turned into their path which is completely on the driver and not the bicyclist.

But apparently you have info that no one else has access to?[/quote]

The bicyclist was undertaking the truck that turned right.

Banning passing on the right would be more effective than banning right turns.  Or at least, it would be if bicyclists obeyed and stopped doing it.[/quote]

No that is not what happened in either case - in both cases the truck passed the bicyclist than cut across their path - the responsibility to yield and safely turn is entirely on the driver in these cases.

The bikers aren't here to tell us what happened but I bet in neither case did the driver even bother with their turn signal - betting they were instead accelerating around the biker to try to beat them to the turn and screwed up running over them instead.[/quote]

Your post will not increase safety or save lives.  When you're on a car or truck's right side, you need to make sure they know you are there and that they do not run over you.  That applies to cars, bikes, and pedestrians.[/quote]

Huh - how exactly does one do that?  You've just been overtaken by a vehicle - every time that happens are you supposed to start ringing your bell over and over?  Yelling and screaming?  Or are you supposed to just pull over and wait because you should assume that the vehicle that literally just passed you didn't see you?

When I pass someone on the road well geez I can see them!

Now these were both guys driving dump trucks - wanna bet they were both on their phones and also didn't even bother to use their turn signals?

We will never now because or local police are incompetent and disinterested in traffic violence.

This victim blaming is both pathetic and ignorant.[/quote]

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