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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Based on earlier comments, it sounds like people want to base academic rankings on job placement and salary statistics. Those two don’t necessarily correlate. If you’re comparing an Ivy classics major to a State U CS major, the comparison makes no sense from an academic perspective, but the CS major will have a higher salary. What’s the point of the ROI focus? To make the arts look bad? Don’t people already know which majors pay? ROI is a dumb way to rate academic excellence. [/quote]

College degree is useless waste of money if you serve at a restaurant or make coffee at Starbucks afterwards.
It's not everything but most important factor

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It works the other way too. Anyone who pays too dollar for a degree in a field which pays high salaries regardless of where your degree is from is throwing away their money. When you can do just as well in engineering or CS with a degree from Stat U, why pay 2-3 times as much as much?[/quote]

That is like saying why go to a Michelin star restaurant when you can go to McDonald's and get a meal at lower price. [/quote]

Getting a CS degree from GMU is not same as a CS degree from CMU.[/quote]

True. But getting a CS degree from Georgia Tech ($50K OOS) is comparable to a CS degree from CMU ($80K OOS). [/quote]

No not really in the eyes of anyone who knows anything.[/quote]

Nobody cares where you got your degree!!!! I know people with 3.2 gpa at a T100 college (ie around "85/90 ranked") who got offers for $100K+ as a CS major.  So while it might be "slightly easier to get a job with a CMU CS degree", it's really not hard to get one from anywhere with a decent CS program.  The pay difference might only be $10K (elite vs "decent program") if there is much difference at all.  I suspect someone with a 3.75+ from the "85/90" school would get paid more than the 3.2 counterpart, or at least it might be easier to get a job/make the cut for first round interviews simply because of the gpa.  But really, people with a CS degree from anywhere will get hired and paid well!   But sure pay an extra $100K+ over the 4 years if you think it's a better degree.  But you won't really recoup that difference.  Because in CS, having the degree makes it easy to get employed, and that is largely what the "elite" name helps with for some majors.  GATech has amazing hiring events with top employers from all the top companies.  Kids from GA tech get hired to the same places as CMU cs grads.  And I'm willing to bet the pay is similar.

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S[b]tarting to get UVA booster/striver vibes from GaTech grads and boosters which is not a good sign.[/quote][/b]

Please go away.  Your posts add nothing to the discussion.  You (and only you) say "striver" as a negative (which no one else in the college admissions community does) but dont seem to understand that that word is a positive, not a negative.  I'm sorry your kid or loved one didn't get into UVA. It's perfectly fine for some students/parents/faculty/admissions offices (who are on this forum) talk about the merits of UVA (which you see as boosterism because of your negativity). Similarly, it is good that people familiar with GT (I am one of them) also offer insightful advice to parents on this board.[/quote]

Why are we talking about UVA?  This is a discussion about T20.[/quote]

Don’t know. There’s sn idiot who keeps coming on here using the term “striver” as a pejorative term and always brings up UVA so presumably their could wasn’t even a competitor for UVA (one of mine certainly wasn’t) or their kid didn’t get in so they take out their sour grapes here.[/quote]

Why do you have to turn all the threads into a discussion of UVA? [/quote]

Because:
1) it’s all of great value both instate and OOS.
2) because it’s located in the DMV so would naturally come up in a forum like dcum
3) because it has become so difficult to get into but many readers here would like to at least have that option for their children 
4) because parents like me didn’t have that financial option precisely because it’s so difficult to get into (my kid didn’t have the stats 
5) which means sour grapes
6) so parents if children who never could apply (high school discourages an application via navience or SCHEV) are bitter that their tax dollars have been wasted.
7) and for those who did apply many didn’t get in. The parents and students never forget that and come on here to take pot shots 
8) and the students from UVA’s rival institutions (Virginia Tech and UMD) troll here

The pattern of comments is almost always someone who is envious takes a pot shot. Then the few who actually know the stats or had students attend say “No, that’s not right -here’s the truth about UVA” to which the same people claim “boosterism and strivers!” But if you look clearly, it’s not. It’s just sensible voices documenting that the slurs by the envious are inaccurate[/quote]

Look at the title of this thread.  It says T20.  UVA is not T20.  So my question stands...why bring it into this discussion?[/quote]

The title says predictions. I predict UVA to be T20.[/quote]

We we shall see about that lol.  What school do you predict will fall off?  The T20 have been pretty solid for a long time now.[/quote]

Here's a list of average ranking in USNWR since 2015.  This demonstrates that UVA is far from even grazing the top 20. Source: https://publicuniversityhonors.com/2016/09/18/average-u-s-news-rankings-for-126-universities-2010-1017/

[b]Ranking under 10:[/b]

[img]https://i.imgur.com/Mg4gHcr.png[/img]

[b]Ranking under 10-19:
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[img]https://i.imgur.com/ESwebDZ.png[/img]

[b]Ranking 20-30:
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[img]https://i.imgur.com/pAN6l3i.png[/img]

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I like this list, which shows the average USNWR ranking over several years and gives a better idea of likelihood of remaining in T20 and where shifts may occur.  I took average ranking and came up with the following list.  UVA doesn't even make the T25, so not sure how it would ever make T20.

1.	Princeton (1)
2.	Harvard (2)
3.	Yale (3.375)
4.	Columbia (3.625)
5.	Chicago (4.375)
6.	MIT (4.75)
7.	Stanford (5.375)
8.	Penn (7.875)
9.	Duke (9)
10.	Hopkins (10.12)
11.	Caltech (10.5)
12.	Northwestern (10.62)
13.	Dartmouth (11.87)
14.	Brown (14.25)
15.	Vanderbilt (14.87)
16.	Cornell (15.87)
17.	Rice (16.5)
18.	Wash U (16.75)
19.	Notre Dame (17.25)
20.	Emory (20.87)
21.	UC Berkeley (21)
22.	UCLA (21.25)
23.	Georgetown (21.75)
24.	USC (23.37)
25.	Carnegie Mellon (24.75)
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This is in fact the best list based on some data.

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This is a list based on skewed data from schools like Columbia (see separate thread on this specifically), Rice, Wash U, Emory, Duke and Vanderbilt. If US News had bothered to audit, we'd see different results. [/quote]

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