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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Putin has suffered a massive geopolitical defeat.

NATO is expanding even further and, with Finland, will share a very long border with Russia; Ukraine is an EU member state candidate; and, most damningly, Russia has been exposed as a weak military power.  Whatever land Putin takes in the near future cannot be held by Russia.  Finally, Russia already had demographic problems: now it has lost thousands in this war, thousands have left the country thereby crippling its economic future, and people are not going to be having babies in these conditions.  [/quote]

Clearly, invading was a very bad idea, and a criminal one, but most of what you're saying is talking points with no basis in fact.

Ask Turkey how awesome it is to be an EU candidate.

Russia doesn't have to be the strongest army in the world, it just has to be stronger than its adversary.   In this context, "Russia is a weak military power" and "Ukraine needs kazillions billions of dollars in military aid to fight Russia" statements cannot both be true.

In that same vein, Russia's demographics may not be awesome but they are definitely better than Ukraine's.  Ukraine has lost millions as refugees, and it's an open secret that not all of them left under duress; some have simply opted to live in Europe once this option has become available, which means they may not be keen to return once the war ends.

With regard to holding territory, Russia has been holding and metabolizing Crimea with no special problems, and it looks poised to hold on to it forever. It may or may not metabolize parts of Donbass that are populated largely by ethnic Russians who were decidedly NOT supportive of the Maidan coup and felt marginalized by the current Ukrainian government.   If Russia captures and holds the Black Sea coastal areas, that will be the end of Ukraine's economy.  Which is why it is critical that the parties sit down to talk now, because things aren't looking up, and typically, whenever the parties sit down to negotiate, the state of things at the time will be their starting point.

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Pp here.  You’ve got too narrow an aperture and recommend you consider more than Ukraine.  I’m talking geopolitical defeat. Everything I cited is factual. Russia’s adversary is the United States and NATO and I hope you’ll agree we are considerably stronger and more competent.  And, of course, China will have taken note.  Big undefended border there.  So, Russia’s future is bleak.

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The US decided to see Russia as an adversary for its own internal political aims.   And now it is using Ukraine as a bullet stopper in the same game.  But I'm sure Ukrainians are super pleased to become casualties in the conflict you decided the US and NATO simply had to have with Russia.  [/quote]

Ukrainians are too dim to know any better. It’s a Slavic thing.

Give a few weapons, stoke some bitterness, and you can sit back and watch Slavs beat each other up.

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