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Absolutely despicable. [/quote]

So you actually think they should have let her go in?[/quote]

Ideally, the police keep the public out and then go into the building and deal with the shooter, that's current thinking on what to do in these situations. That's not DCUM experts, that's police experts. T his is easily Googleable, but here's a couple sources (https://www.theiacp.org/sites/default/files/2021-07/ActiveShooter2018-UpdatedFormat%2007.16.2021_0.pdf, https://www.baltimorecityschools.org/sites/default/files/inline-files/10-18_ActiveShooter.pdf, https://mcp.maryland.gov/Directive%20Manual/13-100.pdf).

In the absence of police doing what they should do, then yes, parents should go in and try. As a father, my duty is to keep my child safe. If my kid is in a building where someone is shooting kids and no one better trained or equipped than I am is able or willing to help, then I go in and do what I can. Same as a burning building. That's the job when you're a parent, even if it might get you killed.[/quote]

Do we know that there was no law enforcement inside the building as these officers were keeping parents out? Serious question. I'm not trying to stir things up, I just haven't heard anything clear on that point. [/quote]

Anyone? This whole part of the incident turns on that question. If some cops are outside, keeping civilians out while other cops are on the inside; it's a *completely* different scenario than if cops are outside keeping civilians out while nobody is even trying to do anything about the shooter. [/quote]

Well, so far we have DPS giving conflicting reports about the resource officer (being there, engaging with the shooter, and their agency interviewing the resource officer) hours apart today. I think it's safe to say they're disorganized and don't yet know what's true themselves at best, a pack of cowardly liars trying to cover their behinds at worst. So I'd take anything they say about where officers were with a grain of salt. At the press conference today, the DPS said he wrecked his truck, then spent 12 minutes shooting at people near the school and the building (as I understood him) and getting into the school, but not interacting with police because there were none present. Four minutes after getting inside the school, police arrived and went in, they shot at each other, police were wounded and retreated. They set up a perimeter, threatened and restrained parents to prevent them from going in, did some strategery, and CBP went in after approximately 40-60 minutes and killed the shooter.

People there reported that some police went in, seemingly acting as individuals rather than with the department, to save the kids important to them and not near the shooter. One of the restrained parents seems to have made it in and saved her child. An interview with someone in the state police (I think) seemed to confirm that random officers went inside to remove select children.

The press conference didn't provide much info, didn't give a timeline, didn't say why the police waited so long to go in, and conflicted with other official statements previously given. He did say the authorities tried to negotiate with the gunman.  Not sure what that means, and he didn't explain what he means by "negotiate."

Basically, it's a clusterf**k. Incompetence mixed with deceit and cowboy wannabes trying to hold onto power and not have everyone hate them. Between the lies and misunderstandings, it's going to be hard to sort this out. [/quote]

Thanks for this. Sounds like we don't really know what happened, and we don't whether our lack of knowledge is because of confusion, deceit, or something in between. [/quote]

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