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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]But in practice, don't many countries rely on the Quranic rules about consensual/nonconsensual sex, because these have scriptural authority? Whereas hadith are not always accepted as authoritative, as some PP above already mentioned.

The 4 witnesses thing, which comes from the Quran, is how it plays out in many countries today. Pakistan is an example that comes to mind.[/quote]

There is a whole system for interpreting Islamic law. In Sunni Islam, it's based on the Qu'ran and the Sunnah, and these two together have been interpreted by four major schools of law. Hanbali, Hanafi, Shafi, and Malaki. Shites are similar but there is only one major madhab (school of law) I'm familiar with. Jafaari.

With respect to Hadith, there are strict standards for interpretation. Some are strong with a direct chain of narrators. Some are weak with little evidence. So you can't just quote a Hadith you find on the Internet and take it as some sort of truth about Islam.

I can't speak for all Islamic states, but ones such as Egypt have based their legal code on the predominant madhab they follow. In their case, Hanafi. Saudi Arabia follow Hanbali. Hanbali madhab is very strict.

Shiites rely much more on ijtihad, or reasoning.  So maybe that's what you are referring to?  Many fatwas are issued by Shiite religious leaders.

I have no knowledge of Pakistani laws, so I don't know their basis or application.[/quote]

OP here: Lets not rely or care about what country is relying on for interpreting Islamic law. We know the interpretation of Islamic laws has been unduly oppressive toward women many, many times. Our holy book does not mention Hanafi, Shafi, or Malaki, Sunni, or Shi'ite. It mentions laws only. So to rely on man-made laws or man-made interpretation subjects Allah's laws to MIS-interpretation, a risk we ought never to take anyway.[/quote]

You can't escape man-made interpretation because we are men (and women). Do you mean each Muslim should interpret the Qu'ran for him/herself?  People by nature will interpret it to benefit themselves. That may mean you have a more liberal interpretation, but in the case of Salafis, who have also discarded accepted jurisprudence, the results are a much worse version of Islam, in my opinion. [/quote]

OP here: No, we don't reject all man-made interpretations of the Quran. We reject the archaic man made interpretations. The interpretation we have is from rigid clerics who maintain a very harsh interpretation of Islam. It has been mixed with cultural, patriarchal beliefs from hundred of years past. That was never the intention of real Islam. Many American scholars do not embrace the interpretation of these rigid clerics. They also take into account the context in which passages were revealed in the Quran.  Curious, where do you live now? Somewhere in the DC metro area? How on earth are you surviving here in the States embracing the rigid beliefs as you do? What kind of a job do you have? How do you function at work? What do you wear when you leave the home? Do you wear western attire?  If you are female, do you ever travel to get groceries or run errands alone? Islam is not a buffet religion where you can pick and choose which rules are convenient for you to follow and which are not. But I would find it hard to believe that you are able to follow a strict interpretation of Islam living here in the States. So I am thinking that maybe you have chosen to pick and choose certain rules to follow and certain rules to abandon. Same likely goes for your spouse if you have a spouse. The strict interpretations of Islam will make it virtually impossible for you to live here in conformance to your ideal Islam....which begs the question - why are you here? Sorry to be so blunt but I often find that those who have the strictest interpretations of Islam while living here in the U.S. have made some 'accommodations' for themselves in order to make income. I doubt Allah would find it acceptable for you to shirk his laws, or rather your interpretation of laws, for the sake of pocketing more green.[/quote]

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