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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I think the fact this specific thread has ranked near the top of DCUM political discussion threads for the past few days shows that it's a political wedge issue.

If Democrats embrace this DE&I ideology in its current state, they will start losing elections. Remember: Biden just barely beat Trump in 2020.

What's really sad is that some conservatives, most independents, and many liberals support many of the Democrat's main policy positions. It's the identity politics stuff that really turns off a decent chunk of the electorate.

There's a reason why Nixon embraced affirmative action policies back in the 197s: these wedge issues work.[/quote]

I find it telling that nobody here is willing to even attempt to answer such a crucial question.

You insist DE&I programs are necessary,  but can't articulate when we can tell they have done their job.

Agreed.

Nobody likes to be  labeled or “othered”… nobody.

That’s why I think the pendulum will swing the other way. I’m just not sure if it will take another wake-up call with a conservative President before the Dems will adjust. [/quote]

I actually think that success in DE&I looks like DE&I initiatives no longer being required.  If done right, it is not here to stay for generations.  It requires the focus and intentional effort now because we do not currently live in a color-blind meritocracy.

The difference I think between both "sides" is a fundamentally different view of society as it stands today.  Those in favor of DE&I still see the results of decades of injustice and exploitative systems at play and are want to eradicate it.  Those against view current day as just fine as it is...[/quote]

Ah, but how will you know when they are no longer  "required?"  How many black players should there be in the orchestra?  5% 10% 25%?

Of course you are also misstating the position of those opposed to the current wave of D&I thought.  This isn't a question of "eradicating" "exploitative systems" or "fine as is."

Discrimination based on race or other immutable factors is immoral.  If you want to advocate for programs for the poor, or aspiring [fill in the blank], then count me in, but that isn't what current DE&I is about.

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I don't think I misstated anything.  I posited something.

"Underrepresented" generally means not present proportional to the presence in the general population.  There are differences in how the general population is defined- country, local area, local area with appropriate background, etc.  I don't propose quotas so I can't give you a number.

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