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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][b]As are streets with a lot of bicyclists ignoring traffic signs and signals.
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Cars are more dangerous in low traffic density situations while bicycles are more dangerous in high traffic density situations.  It all has to do with pedestrians being able to observe and predict the traffic situation.  Hanoi is a famous example of that.  [/quote]

[b]No. First of all, bicyclists obey traffic signs and signals at similar or better rates as drivers.[/b] It's possible that you're so used to drivers not obeying traffic signs/signals that you don't notice. Second of all, cars are more dangerous to pedestrians under every circumstance except when cars are not moving and bicyclists are moving. That's just basic physics. A person riding a bicycle weighs maybe 200 pounds total (including the bicycle). Even just a small car weighs 15 times more. A Suburban weighs 30 times more.

If you want to talk about transportation in Hanoi, probably the travel forum is the appropriate place.[/quote]
You have a source for that?[/quote]

https://www.pri.org/stories/2015-07-18/survey-finds-bicyclists-and-motorists-ignore-traffic-laws-similar-rates
https://www.outsideonline.com/2273001/cyclists-comply-traffic-laws-more-drivers
https://usa.streetsblog.org/2018/01/03/study-cyclists-dont-break-traffic-laws-any-more-than-drivers-do/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/carltonreid/2019/05/10/cyclists-break-far-fewer-road-rules-than-motorists-finds-new-video-study/?sh=602b7c124bfa

For what it's worth, if I stopped with both feet on the ground at every stop sign while bicycling, many of the drivers behind me would get very annoyed.[/quote]
First link refers to a “survey” but provides no details regarding the survey. Only a link a faculty bio page. There is no ability to judge whether this was a proper survey or not.

Second link refers to a FL DOT “study” but the link is broken so cannot judge the veracity. In any event, the description of the methods in the article (outfitting bikes with sensors) indicates that the participants knew they were being studied which surely biased the outcome.

Third link refers to the same FL DOT study and again the link is broken. Prior issues still hold and I’m starting to suspect that you are just googling without even reading the articles.

Fourth link refers to a what seems like an actually well designed study which does prove your point, but the study is in Denmark and therefore it’s a bit of a red herring.

You have not produced any evidence that cyclists in DC follow the rules. [/quote]

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