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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I find this really confusing.  It's hard to know what happened.  I am always suspicious when there is just one side, especially when that side is the lawyers representing one person.

One one hand, the kid ran away from school.  One of the things that the article objects to seems to be that the police picked up the kid, put him in the car and drove him back to school.  To me, that's what I'd expect.  The police's first job in that circumstance is definitely to get the kid back to the adults who are caring for him.  Yes, being "placed in a squad car" (one of the things they object to) is scary, but I'm not sure how else they should get the child back to school

It sounds like some of the things they said while they were doing it were out of line, but honestly without the other side [b]it's just hard to say.[/b]
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Quoting here “ the complaint was [b]written based on body camera footage[/b] of the incident from one officer. The other officer’s camera was not on, they said.”

That’s a wrap! [/quote]

The quote was written by the attorney, who claims to have seen the body camera footage.  The journalist did not see the body camera footage.  Big difference.[/quote]

Until footage is presented in court you mean. [/quote]

Sure, but that footage could support either side, or be open to differing interpretations.  I'm certainly not going to take an attorney's description of what the body camera footage shows as gospel given his obvious self-interest in the matter.[/quote]

Why would the attorney lie about something that can be verified? I'm no experts but I think there are consequences for attorneys that lie in court documents.[/quote]

I am an attorney and "lie" is quite strong.  Yes, you cannot knowingly make a false statement in a pleading.  You absolutely can and many do shade the facts in the absolute most favorable light to your client.

Playing fast and loose with facts can be a strategic mistake, but most plaintiff's side lawyers aren't known for their discretion and tend to like a flair for the dramatic, particularly when there is an ability to get favorable press.  But it is going to take quite a lot for an attorney to actual face an ethical issue if there is even a chance the video could be interpreted as he described.[/quote]

So in other words yes the police did place handcuffs on a 5 year old's wrist.[/quote]

Maybe.  I haven't seen the footage.  But, even if that part is true, that is hardly the most salacious part of the complaint.  It is conceivable there could be a rationale basis for handcuffing a kid and, even if that action itself was improper, that is a far cry from assaulting him.[/quote]

If the child was out of control hitting and kicking the only option would be handcuffs or physically restrain.  Most parents would have a bigger fit if their child was physically restrained.

The cops were probably inappropriate but lets see the footage.  There should have been a camera in the police car and in the office of the school.[/quote]

Sorry, this is a five year old. Why do we need cops to physically restrain or handcuff him?  This is not normal.[/quote]

Depending on what the kid was doing, restraining him might have been the safest option for him.  It is also conceivable that the cop thought he would be safer that way.  (I have a five year old -- they can hurt you.  The cop likely couldn't have been in enough fear to warrant deadly force, or even something like mace or a taser.  But simply restraining is a far lesser action than any of those other things.)  Even if you think the cop was wrong for cuffing the kid -- and that certainly could be true -- that's not necessarily an egress act.  Beating the kid, as seems was also alleged, is a whole different story. [/quote]
There is something wrong with you. Please just stop posting here. [/quote]

That's a lovely invitation, but I decline.  Why exactly is there something wrong with me?  What have a said that you think is so offensive?  I think my post was quite measured and was open to either side being correct and acknowledging that I don't have enough facts to come to a definitive conclusion.  I guess you just prefer to immediately assume that one side is at fault based on nothing more than a lawyer's characterization of what occurred.

Also, that is only my second post on this thread, so there must be other similar people that haves something wrong with them for keeping an open mind and not jumping to conclusions.[/quote]
This is just clown shoes all the way down. Who do you think you are arguing with and what point are you trying to prove?[/quote]

That's two posts in a row where you have insulted me, but you haven't actually addressed the substance of my post and why you believe it is beyond the pale.  I've addressed the topic in a serious, substantive manner.  If you want to do the same, great.  If you want to just lash out and hear nothing but an echo chamber that agrees with you (of course I don't really now what part of my post you so object to), then I have no need to engage further.[/quote]

I agree, there’s a poster on this thread that results to name calling and telling everyone to stop expressing their opinions. Not willing to read alternate points of view or at least challenge the substance.[/quote]

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