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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I mean, Elliot Rodger murdered six people, but I'm sure it's just a harmless set of dating guidelines, amirite?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2014/05/27/inside-the-manosphere-that-inspired-santa-barbara-shooter-elliot-rodger/[/quote]

It’s pretty easy to cherry pick examples like that based on the truly crazy. Do you hold the Bernie Bros accountable for the shooting of the House GOP leadership a few years back?  I think the red pill has done vastly more good than harm by providing guidance to numerous lost and confused men. [/quote]

I think Red Pill is toxic. But I also think cherry-picking Elliot Rodger is disingenuous. That's the Internet for you, I suppose.

There are unpleasant truths about attraction - for example, well-muscled extroverts are more attractive to women on first sight than conscientious underweight introverts. The former are way more likely to have fun, short-term sexual relationships with pretty women than the latter. But the Red Pill kind of stops there and uses it as a foundation for building a harmful world-view. Women aren't bad people for being superficial about their early attraction any more than men are. Short term sexual relationships aren't the most important things in lives. They aren't the basis for long term happiness. Women aren't uniquely bad -- there is about as much good & bad among women as there is among men. Men are sometimes victimized and, in some areas more victims than women are. But, if it's a misery contest, women have an overall tougher hill to climb in life than men do. There's no real room for this kind of nuance in Red Pill circles which is why all of the good stuff -- be more confident, exercise, practice good hygiene, don't derive your self-worth from the approval of a particular woman, and so forth -- gets lost in the stupid stuff (women are hypergamous opportunists stringing along bluepill orbiters. Alphas rule, betas drool; etc.)

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I get where you are coming from but don’t agree.  IME, the Red Pill type beliefs are realistic about many unpleasant truths, and rather than feeding a view that women are “bad people,” it instead encourages engagement with reality and managed disappointment.  What makes many men “angry” in this context is not the behavior of women, its the fact that they have been, essentially, lied to by society and encouraged to act in ways that are counter to their own interests as a result.  That’s what causes toxic anger and resentment.  Take what you have just said:  “well-muscled extroverts are more attractive to women.”  Obvious, yes?  Beyond dispute, IMO.  But there are lots of men who have become confused about that simple and obvious fact due to years of cultural programming that muddies that up, and when such men act on contrary scripts and get bad results, anger is the natural result.  Whereas if they had a more realistic view from the get-go, there would be less of that.  Also, it gives men the prospect of ways to improve their chances:  hit the gym and work on your social presentation.  To be sure, there are those who simply cannot handle reality and blow up in toxic and dangerous ways, but that’s not an argument against accurately describing reality.  
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NP. Not true re muscled guys being universally attractive to women. I have always liked lanky intellectual guys. Never into muscles. Women are individuals.[/quote]

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