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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]My DD is a senior at a big 3 and is interested in HYP. 35 ACT, 3.9 unweighted most rigorous classes. No hook, but has played an instrument since first grade (no awards). We're full pay and she's thinking women's/gender studies  :roll: . Chances? We are making her come up with some safeties but she has her heart set on HYP.[/quote]

First, your daughter has great stats. No school is going to reject her because of her stats.

Second, your daughter is full-pay. In the age of COVID-19, being full-pay is probably admissions officers' favorite extracurricular activity, even at the HYP schools. For the HYP schools, one of the glories of holistic admissions is that they can cheat and use expensive activities to identify and admit full-pay kids. The fact that your daughter went to a private school sends the message, "Probably has money."

Third, chances are the counselors at your daughter's school are great at getting kids into HYP.

Finally, your daughter is applying as a humanities or social sciences major in an age when everyone else is rushing into STEM majors.

I'm looking at the Niche version of the admissions scattergrams now.

At the HYP schools, on the scattergrams, the closest major to women's studies is philosophy.

It looks as if would-be biology and physics majors have about a zero chance of getting in with your daughter's scores, but as if would-be philosophy, history and English majors might have at least a 25 percent chance to 30 percent of getting in, based solely on stats.

That could be because would-be humanities majors are more interesting than would-be STEM majors, but it could be that even HYP are struggling to persuade kids to major in the humanities.

Backup ideas:

Amherst, for Princeton: I think the scattergrams imply that she'd have about a 50 percent chance of getting in as a humanities major.

Washington University, for Yale (similar architecture; flexible curriculum; laid back atmosphere): Maybe she'd have close to 100 percent chance of getting in as a history major.

Wellesley, for Harvard (near Boston; prestigious; shuttle to MIT): Nearly 100 percent chance of getting in as a history, English or interdisciplinary studies major.

Maybe a school like Amherst would be a good, [b]slightly less selective[/b] alternative to Princeton. I think the scattergram shows she'd have a greater than 50 percent chance of getting into Amherst.

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It sounds like you think "slightly less selective" means inferior, PP.

Do you think kids have numbers printed on their foreheads, and those with the higher numbers get into HYP, and the rest go to "slightly less-selective" schools?

I know kids who went to Amherst, Williams, Wesleyan, Haverford and Pomona, and wow! Every one of those kids is fantastically intelligent and talented. Most didn't apply to HYP because they wanted to go to a small school.

I know some very bright kids who went to HYP, but they are no smarter or talented or more interesting than the ones who went to those SLACS, "slightly less-selective" as they may be.

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